'Floyd won't fight Pacquiao with or without Arum'

0.00.15.0.00.40 funny as hell :-) Why is there no comment about the way Konz did his advising?? how come he didnt sat down with the other parties??? Do y'all think its normal?

It's been a chain of excuses that he's hopped from at convenient times. If this one were true he'd have only ever used this one, as the primary blocker to a fight to overcome. No one looks great in this saga. But Mayweather clearly manipulates the media and public to best suit him looking good even if it means lying entirely. It's so easy to see it's embarrassing some don't. Brilliant post, spot on.

Pac Stans dont like the TRUTH....the TRUTH burns them straight to their muthafvcking soul

1. Neither of us know how the promoters communicate. Negotiations start with communications, NOT when they're all in the same room. Your assertion is not based on fact, its an assertion based on your opinion of your interpretation of the limited knowledge that you have regarding the situation. The point is, you might be right, but you simply can't back this up, and thus it's only an assertion. 2. Even if you're right. The negotiations failed not because Pac passed on the offer, but because neither side agreed on the terms. For some odd reason you Floyd fans see Floyd as this boxing ruler where he simply states his terms, and you either take it or leave it. And if you leave it, you're the one who dodged the fight. Thats not how it works, especially since Pac is one of the biggest draws this sport has ever seen. Pac is not desperate to fight floyd, like other fighters that are looking for a payday. Pac's team agree to testing 30 days before the fight and IMMEDIATELY after the fight. Do you think THAT's unreasonable? You have a double standard. By your logic I can just as easily say that Pac offered Floyd the fight, but passed. Pac offered a fight with traditional drug testing, and Floyd passed. You didn't answer a single question I asked. I wonder why. I'll ask again: What were the reasons that Pacquiao didn't want to submit to blood testing up to the fight, and, with the benefit of hindsight, do you personally think that Floyd's attempted compromise of a 14 day cut off was an unreasonable 'roadblock'? To your other points: 1.) That's not true. We know exactly when and how the promoters communicate because there is a record of the events. Contrary to what you've asserted for the second time, I didn't just "start" following this story. I have absolutely no issue with Pacquiao and I think he's a great fighter. I go by what the FACTS are -by what has ACTUALLY happened-, not what both parties say through the media. Time has proven that Floyd will say random, ridiculous things specifically designed to piss people off, and Bob Arum and Konz will say anything and everything they think that people want to hear to get the heat on the other party. What has ACTUALLY happened is a LEGIT negotiation in 2009, and an ATTEMPTED negotiation in 2011 (http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7235880/floyd-mayweather-jr-aide-says-manny-pacquiao-camp-even-talk-fight). If you want to count Mayweather calling Pacquiao directly and offering him 40 million, fine. I personally only consider it a negotiation if Arum is involved, but as I'm sure you recall, Arum, at the time, was saying that Pacquaio's cut wouldn't be healed in time for a Mayweather fight and they needed to build a stadium to maximize profits. Anything else said by both camps is RHETORIC. Nothing ACTUALLY happened to attempt to make the fight happen other than those times. Please present any other evidence of ACTUAL attempted negotiations. Don't bring me quotes said through the media, don't bring me fake time clocks, don't post videos of Pacquaio saying his "hotline is open 24/7", I want ACTUAL attempted or real negotiations between Floyd/Ellerbe/Schaffer and BOB ARUM. Can you do that? 2. No, negotiations ended because Pacquiao passed on the offer. Don't try to use rhetoric with me. You can't take it any other way. It wasn't a take it or leave it offer. Floyd originally wanted no cut off, Pacquaio wanted 30 days, Floyd tried to compromise for a 14 day cut off. That's what I call a negotiation - a REASONABLE negotiation that easily could have been accepted. I'll ask you again: What were the reasons that Pacquaio didn't want to submit to blood testing?

It's been a chain of excuses that he's hopped from at convenient times. If this one were true he'd have only ever used this one, as the primary blocker to a fight to overcome. No one looks great in this saga. But Mayweather clearly manipulates the media and public to best suit him looking good even if it means lying entirely. It's so easy to see it's embarrassing some don't.

No sense of arguing with these Pacquiao zombies, they will not pay attention until you keep repeating the facts, and the fact is since May 2009 Mayweather did in fact already mention he has a problem with Arum and the fight will be hard to make because of it. He says it in the Brian Kenny interview and in this one on July 24th 2009 This just rapes anything Pacquiao fans have to say about anything on the subject, stop arguing or going back and forth with them.. Keep it simple to video evidence and quotes with dates. No one can argue with facts with credible sources. So show us your timeline ..... Did Floyd not want it since 2009 and was talking? What happened now that Floyd changed his mind? Remember that much of the bad mouthing came from Floyd's side. Are you saying that Floyd did that on purpose so at one point he would get all sensitive and say "I don't like Arum, he is a meanie. No more fight"

Everybody wants to see Pac vs Floyd but Floyd himself, even Uncle roger and uncle jeff wants it, and much more daddy Floyd Sr who happens to admit recently Pacquiao is the "best" when he avers theyre saving the "BEST" for last, hoping.

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There was bad blood before 09 no question. But there were 100's of millions at stake. That kind of money is going to warrant a conversation. I think Floyd made a more than fair offer the first go around. And Mannys team passed. Don't forget that. And if I were Floyd I would think that they didn't want the fight. Then it just got worse over the years. A lot of bad mouthing in the press from both sides. Plus Floyd has done great the last couple of years while Top Rank has slowly declined. And if I were Floyd I wouldn't want to be in a hurry to co-promote anything with Top Rank. It would be a step backwards in my opinion. So making the biggest fight in who knows when would be a step backwards? You know that Floyd's last 2 fights with the less popular opponents both did under 1 mill PPV? Don't you think that is what you should call being a step backwards? The other Floyd fan said Floyd never wanted to deal with Arum and shows proof. Both of you better make up your minds as you are contradicting yourselves, just like Floyd. Floyd has put so many roadblocks yet you seem to be blaming Arum. Going back to your last point. You are actually stating that Floyd is not that interested but using excuses. Finally, Floyd does a lot of bad mouthing himself. That is considered promoting the fight. If Arum does it, then you say that Floyd is sensitive and doesn't want to get the fight on because of that. You guys need to get your stories straight and that is why EVERYONE ELSE realized a long time ago that Floyd is not interested. Floyd said so in interviews in 2010, 2013, 2014...... If you include them roadblocks, then you should realize why everyone feels that Floyd is NOT interested. An interested fighter would not put so many conditions and say what he says in interviews.

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floyd fans act like after the failed negotiation floyd realized that arum was the road block. well i thought when floyd wanted to fight oscar arum was preventing that fight so floyd knew this already so why would floyd negotiate with arum in 09 then in 2013 come out and say arum is a snake and floyd will never do business with him? didnt floyd leave arum because floyd felt arum wasnt paying him right? so why did it take floyd until 2013 to finally realized this? or is this just another excuse?

i know arum is not a saint, and i believe he has been doing pac dirty here and there. but he's also help pac get to where he's at so its a take some lose some situation with manny. i know that floyd doesnt like arum but why wait until 2013 to finally say ur not gonna deal with arum? arum is the same arum he has been for how many years now? its not like when the negotiation started back in 09 arum was a nice guy and then he started being a punk. arum was a punk when floyd was with him LOL so why act suprise now? this is what the floyd fans fail to answer everytime this gets brought up.

I got the assertion that they only actually negotiated in 2009 through facts. If you can name one other time where Bob Arum and Floyd/Ellerbe/Schaeffer sat down and tried to make the fight, please tell me. I'm assuming that you consider talking through the media as negotiating? No need to call me an idiot because u disagree. Makes u look like more of a dumbass than you already do. Now, in terms of 2009, answer this question for me: Do you personally see anything wrong with a 14 day cut off? Do you think that a 14 day cut off was an unreasonable demand? What were the reasons for not wanting to do blood testing for both fighters all the way up to the fight? Floyd would have gotten the blood tests just like Pacquiao would have. There was no unfair advantage either way, correct? 1. Neither of us know how the promoters communicate. Negotiations start with communications, NOT when they're all in the same room. Your assertion is not based on fact, its an assertion based on your opinion of your interpretation of the limited knowledge that you have regarding the situation. The point is, you might be right, but you simply can't back this up, and thus it's only an assertion. 2. Even if you're right. The negotiations failed not because Pac passed on the offer, but because neither side agreed on the terms. For some odd reason you Floyd fans see Floyd as this boxing ruler where he simply states his terms, and you either take it or leave it. And if you leave it, you're the one who dodged the fight. Thats not how it works, especially since Pac is one of the biggest draws this sport has ever seen. Pac is not desperate to fight floyd, like other fighters that are looking for a payday. Pac's team agree to testing 30 days before the fight and IMMEDIATELY after the fight. Do you think THAT's unreasonable? You have a double standard. By your logic I can just as easily say that Pac offered Floyd the fight, but passed. Pac offered a fight with traditional drug testing, and Floyd passed.

The thing is there are allready too many FMJ - pac threads and i think as a rule you shouldnt create a thread unless its extremely relevant. But i'm seriously considering making a thread with a poll. asking NSB peeps if they think this is the way competent advisor should do their practise. Is this a normal thing in the states, that you want the best interest for your client but you havent sat down with all parties????? I'm not that interested at the moment with the who ducked who. My mind is blown away that it is possible that boxers sign contracts without even having all the relevant info. I would never advise my client anything untill i had done all my homework and could say ... FMJ offers this showtime offers this haymon offers this mind you de la hoya also said he hasnt heard anything about FMJ negotiating with pacs camp... How is this possible in this universe? How can you ink a deal without knowing everything? is this normal practise, in the states? Bradley didnt know what the other party had to offer and Pacman seems to be doing the same...

Yup you got that right it's 40million 3rd time deal with no ppv up take. But have you forgotten he doesn't want to deal with arum ever. So all those negotiations is a waste of time and energy. It ain't *****. It's smoke and mirrors at the end of whatever they agreed upon coz his last card will be... Wait.. Wait. Here it comes.. I DON'T DEAL WITH ARUM. Standing ovation. Bow. I geuss you're a pac supporter... The way you guys think and debate is horrible IMO. This is how i look at this interview with Konz: This Konz probably looked at some posts on NSB or a similar site looked at the arguments that could be used in pac's or Arum's favour. And now uses it in an interview being one of the most credible sources alive being Pac's advisor. concrete my beef with Konz's statement: If you've read what he said nowhere can you read that he actually went to FMJ/Haymon/Ellerbe/SHOWTIME to talk under what condition a fight could be made with FMJ. So in the end your prime advisor just goes by interpretation/assumption...speculations... This is really bad man i dont know how to express myself but these guys, the professionals are on some NSB trolling level. going by statements through the media-outlets and such and based on that they ink a life changing binding contract. It's a shame man, and everyone on NSB thinks this is normal practise. If you want the best for your client at the very least you extensively have talks with ALL parties. how is it possible that pac signed a deal without factually knowing what his market value etc. is. i dont know man Konz is either the worst advisor in the world or he is paid by Arum. Ones again i understand most internet peeps have to go with assumtions and articles and YT links. But your prime advisor not doing due dilligence... He is on some internet-troll level. In my world this is impossible. But hey i geuss i'm the only dude in the world who thinks like this.

To flowmos everywhere. Live in the present. If floyd wants to fight. Its a phone call away from a done deal. Pac is willing. Now ask yourself, is floyd willing? Ting ting ting! Nope he doesn't. He has no balls to fight. Simple really.

lmao get floyd's dick off your mouth! 1. wtf makes you say that the 2009 negotiations was the only serious negotiation?!?! where did you get this from? where u there during all the other so called negotiations that you can claim that the first one was the only legit one??? 2. they were NEGOTIATING, pac's team didn't agree on the testing that floyd wanted, floyd's team didnt agree with the cut offs that pac wanted. why is it that you say "pac passed" ? if floyd didn't demand the unprecedented testings, that never happened before in history of the sport, then thefight woudlve happened. if floyd agreed to pac's terms on the testing, then the fight wouldve happened. so i can just as easily say that floyd passed. but im not an idiot like you. BOTH passed, because they did not agree on the terms of the fight. thats how negotiations work dumbass. the fact of the matter is, pac has now agreed to all of floyd's stipulations. ie, blood testing, less than 50-50, but floyd just keeps coming up with new ones. I got the assertion that they only actually negotiated in 2009 through facts. If you can name one other time where Bob Arum and Floyd/Ellerbe/Schaeffer sat down and tried to make the fight, please tell me. I'm assuming that you consider talking through the media as negotiating? No need to call me an idiot because u disagree. Makes u look like more of a dumbass than you already do. Now, in terms of 2009, answer this question for me: Do you personally see anything wrong with a 14 day cut off? Do you think that a 14 day cut off was an unreasonable demand? What were the reasons for not wanting to do blood testing for both fighters all the way up to the fight? Floyd would have gotten the blood tests just like Pacquiao would have. There was no unfair advantage either way, correct?

Tell us something we didn't already know.

Its hilarious seeing you try to defy all logic by completely ignoring the talks from 09 and jumping straight to the 40 million offer. 2009 was the only time that the two sides legitimately sat down with each other to try to make a fight and Pacquiaos team passed. All other times it was May weather's team that ATTEMPTED to start talks. With the benefit of hindsight there is absolutely no reason to look at Floyd's offer from 2009 and say that it was unfair or unreasonable. He clearly tried to compromise. You can call it a roadblock all you want, but at this point you have to realize that it wasnt a big 'roadblock'. Pacquiao could have very easily accepted that offer and we wouldnt see sitting here talking about who ducked who 5 years after the fact. I know that what I said makes too much sense and you'd rather bash Floyd at any costs, but a part of you has to see this. lmao get floyd's dick off your mouth! 1. wtf makes you say that the 2009 negotiations was the only serious negotiation?!?! where did you get this from? where u there during all the other so called negotiations that you can claim that the first one was the only legit one??? 2. they were NEGOTIATING, pac's team didn't agree on the testing that floyd wanted, floyd's team didnt agree with the cut offs that pac wanted. why is it that you say "pac passed" ? if floyd didn't demand the unprecedented testings, that never happened before in history of the sport, then thefight woudlve happened. if floyd agreed to pac's terms on the testing, then the fight wouldve happened. so i can just as easily say that floyd passed. but im not an idiot like you. BOTH passed, because they did not agree on the terms of the fight. thats how negotiations work dumbass. the fact of the matter is, pac has now agreed to all of floyd's stipulations. ie, blood testing, less than 50-50, but floyd just keeps coming up with new ones.

Yup you got that right it's 40million 3rd time deal with no ppv up take. But have you forgotten he doesn't want to deal with arum ever. So all those negotiations is a waste of time and energy. It ain't *****. It's smoke and mirrors at the end of whatever they agreed upon coz his last card will be... Wait.. Wait. Here it comes.. I DON'T DEAL WITH ARUM. Standing ovation. Bow. Its hilarious seeing you try to defy all logic by completely ignoring the talks from 09 and jumping straight to the 40 million offer. 2009 was the only time that the two sides legitimately sat down with each other to try to make a fight and Pacquiaos team passed. All other times it was May weather's team that ATTEMPTED to start talks. With the benefit of hindsight there is absolutely no reason to look at Floyd's offer from 2009 and say that it was unfair or unreasonable. He clearly tried to compromise. You can call it a roadblock all you want, but at this point you have to realize that it wasnt a big 'roadblock'. Pacquiao could have very easily accepted that offer and we wouldnt see sitting here talking about who ducked who 5 years after the fact. I know that what I said makes too much sense and you'd rather bash Floyd at any costs, but a part of you has to see this.