Mayweather Sr. rips Maidana; More Importantly says Floyd needs to throw more Punches

Maidana fought a dirty fight and so does Mayweather with his elbows. They need to chill with the wrestling comments. You obviously have to rough Floyd up to have a chance at winning. This is what Canelo should have done. Maidana wanted it more than anyone Floyd has faced in a while.

He's got a point because Chino was outworking him in some of the rounds even if his shots weren't landing cleanly. The problem is Floyd's power, or lack thereof, seemed like it had no effect on Maidana. If he started throwing pitty pat combos he would leave himself susceptible to some big Maidana shots. He should have been utilizing his jab (to the head) and got his shots off first. Floyd at times was waiting to counter but was getting jabbed or smothered against the ropes by the stronger opponent. Had he gotten off his shots first he would have had better control of the fight IMO. Of course that's my insignificant opinion which means nothing next to a world class trainer like Floyd Sr.

I agree he was economical with his punches like broner

It's easier said than done when you are in with a guy as awkward as Maidana. You can tell his awkwardness threw Mayweather off. I don't believe for one minute Floyd fought that fight for the fans. Maidana FORCED that fight upon him at least in the first half. Once Maidana slowed down mid fight (from all the body work), Floyd took over the fight. Interesting comment about the training though. Also interesting to hear Floyd Sr who supposedly is all about defense saying Floyd needs to throw more punches. The downside of throwing a lot of punches is compromised defense...regardless, I agree with him. In previous tough fights like this where guys have pressed him and threw a lot of punches, Floyd was a lot more active.

to me that's part of the intrugue of a rematch, chino with better conditioning would do even better. The blueprint for Maidana doesn't exist. The blueprint exists you only have to take the best of what khan did and the best of what devon did fact is khan controlled madiana for most of the figh and devon shut him out totally in a loop sided victory, maidana is the same fighter, there is nothing different about him, come forwards style, relies solely on power punches and dirty tactics, floyd gave him a chance on the ropes, where as khan and devon didnt do that, they boxed him in the middle of the ring and there u have the blueprint, stand in the middle of the ring and the outskirts and box him, dont sit on the ropes and allow him time to rough house you and work ur body, dont give him any time, make him use his legs, tire him

floyd's version of the rope-a-dope was on display...he had to put some pillows on maidana, hang on the ropes and let maidana expend some energy missing big shots, then come on in the second half and take 'em into deep water...maidana isn't a sharpshooter so hitting floyd everywhere was his only real chance....interested to see what floyd's conditioning would have been like had maidana been able to use his puncher's glove... i think this will probably be floyd's mo for pretty much the rest of his career because after maidana's semi success, everybody will start attacking him early and hope he doesn't have much left in the second half of the fight but offer up no more than a one punch counter here and there...

To me it sounded as though Snr is shook and wants no part of Maidana again, hes just too tough for them. I dont blame him cause the round after Mayweather got cut mayweather stumpled to his corner and sounded very worry when he was telling his dad he cant see and Snr didnt know what to tell him. But the thing about putting punches together is key, especially in a fight like this. How are you going to stop maidana from coming at you 100% if you pot shotting him and not gaining his respect. You cant hurt him so you going to have to out land him tremendously that 1:1 ratio isnt going to get the jump done cause Maidana is so much of a harder puncher then you so you gonna come out the most damage out of the two, hence the fight. Mayweather took the most damage and barely out landed chino by 8 punches. To be honest .... I would hate to see the day when Floyd is cut over both eyes with blood streaming down his face. I know it has rarely occurred in his career, and based of the times it did happen, Floyd seemed to be off-track momentarily and out of rhythm. Also, the key to beating Maidana is to box him! Maidana is not a technically sound boxer, he is a very efficient brawler. Floyd Sr. knew that and told Floyd to box him, but Floyd wasn't listening at all.

No doubt they had an effect. But Maidana always gasses in the second half of the fight. He was a completely different fighter in the second half against Broner too. to me that's part of the intrugue of a rematch, chino with better conditioning would do even better. The blueprint for Maidana doesn't exist.

I don't know if you guys watched the Atlas interview,(Knowing that many hate him:lol1:) But he made a very good analysis. "Floyd has been living and breathing his defensive prowess, and he's been winning primarily by using more defense than offense. And it has become Floyd's Achilles heel. Whenever he is facing a challenge, he relies heavily on his defense first and offense last." With Maidana, Floyd showed that he could stand in the middle of the ring and clearly outbox him. Which would have led to a more decisive win. But Floyd's (Achilles heel) had him on the ropes trying to avoid a swarming Maidana more than in the center of the ring boxing. Maidana only really scored when Floyd was on the ropes .... Surely Floyd realized this!!!! Then why hover and lament on the ropes, giving Maidana all the chances he needed to steal the rounds????? and he is 100% In the middle of the ring Maidana was getting picked apart Soon as Floyd went on to the ropes, Maidana was able to use rough house illegal tactics and bodyshots Floyd only figured this out by the mid rounds, where he spent less and less time going to the ropes, and more time in the middle of the ring. He could have dominated the fight fron round 1 - 12 had he stayed in the middle, Maidana couldnt cope with Floyds fast hands Floyds natural instant is to go to the ropes, however in this fight he needed to stay in the middle and outskirts, he was a faster and clearly better boxer than Maidana, the ropes helped win Maidana 4 rounds

Sr. said he wanted him to counter punch. Thing is Maidana is so awkward that he's difficult to time and I would imagine it would take a few rounds to feel him out and get adjusted to him. As far as throwing more combinations I feel a lot of the top pound for pound boxers fall victim to this as well. They don't sit in the pocket very long and put together those 5 or 6 punch combinations in situations where they probably could. I guess with fighters like Maidana though sitting in the pocket too long can come back to bite you.

No he didnt imply that Floyd didnt train hard, but that Floyd does not work on throwing combos. Teddy Atlas also mentions this too in this YouTube video. Says that if Floyd threw more combination punches, that he would be 106-0, instead of 46-0. Says it around the 2:30 mark. :lol1:

I don't know if you guys watched the Atlas interview,(Knowing that many hate him:lol1:) But he made a very good analysis. "Floyd has been living and breathing his defensive prowess, and he's been winning primarily by using more defense than offense. And it has become Floyd's Achilles heel. Whenever he is facing a challenge, he relies heavily on his defense first and offense last." With Maidana, Floyd showed that he could stand in the middle of the ring and clearly outbox him. Which would have led to a more decisive win. But Floyd's (Achilles heel) had him on the ropes trying to avoid a swarming Maidana more than in the center of the ring boxing. Maidana only really scored when Floyd was on the ropes .... Surely Floyd realized this!!!! Then why hover and lament on the ropes, giving Maidana all the chances he needed to steal the rounds????? Defense before offense is why!

Because in certain fightes its needed, and one of them was against Maidana. Im sure Sr. does not mean in all fights he needs to throw 4-5-6 combinations, just that the fight with Maidana was one where it would have benefit him. Yeah. And the funny thing is, Roger also prefers throwing punches in bunches too. It's part of the reason why Roger does mitts the way he does. He believes in keeping your hands busy and throwing punches in bunches. Floyd rarely does that though in fights. Also, I remember back in the Guerrero fight, Sr. wanted Floyd to hit Guerrero with two punch combos all day. Right hand and left hook right behind it. But Floyd would only throw the right hand once and then bounce.

He also slowed down and that was due to the body work in the first half. I agree Floyd for me however should have gone more for the body, Maidana had a grimace of pain on his face everytime Floyd went low Maidanas kryptonite is his body

No doubt they had an effect. But Maidana always gasses in the second half of the fight. He was a completely different fighter in the second half against Broner too. Floyd was working on Maidanas body throughout the early part of the fight, stiff jabs, hooks and with Maidanas stamina issues, this work was bound to pay off

That body work Floyd put on Maidana hurt him. He was a completely different fighter the second half of the fight. No doubt they had an effect. But Maidana always gasses in the second half of the fight. He was a completely different fighter in the second half against Broner too.

He adjusted and Maidana only has one style, so he couldnt cope with the adjustment He also slowed down and that was due to the body work in the first half.

The problem is Floyd's not at all comfortable doing that. In fact he rarely reels off a fluid combination unless he's got his opponent hurt or covering up. Normally, opponents show more respect for Floyd's power than Chino did as well. Chino wasn't walking through fire Margarito style, but he never looked too bothered by anything Floyd caught him with either. If Floyd can't stun him, I don't know if he wants to start putting 4-5 shots together in front of a man who can hurt him. I think a poster here pointed out accurately that floyd doesn't transition between defence and offence greatly. When he's on the defensive he wouldn't counter or transition unless there is a 100% chance he could land his punches. I think maidana figured out later in the fight that by using awkward movement and surprise attacks (remember the funny jab he threw after the clinch) he could have possibly won.

yep BINGO exactly. Floyd rarely throw 4-5-6 combinations. Why would he risk doing that now is beyond me. Because in certain fightes its needed, and one of them was against Maidana. Im sure Sr. does not mean in all fights he needs to throw 4-5-6 combinations, just that the fight with Maidana was one where it would have benefit him.

The more he punches and the more combinations he puts together the more he's at risk. It's not like he doesn't know what he's doing. He just doesn't prefer to take risks. This is Floyd. Against a slow moving target like Maidana it makes sense to put more shots together, if you know you can handle whatever's coming back. With a guy like Maidana it's about stopping his forward momentum. Think about the difference in Angulo when facing Lara's style that gave him space to walk into, and Canelo's style where he was lighting up with combinations and pushing him back. But realistically, does Floyd want to increase the amount of time he spends standing in front of Maidana? Is that the smart play at this stage of his career? With his style, he only needs to slow a little to get caught with shots he once slipped.