Several questions exist that were not addressed during that whole scene:
#1 - Was Garcia aware of the diminished padding in the gloves Maidana was originally going to wear (The one's rejected by the NSAC and Team TMT)
If he was then that is incredibly suspect -- any trainer that's been in the game for as long as he has should have noticed that there was a padding discrepancy right away without an outsider bringing it to his attention ......... Again extremely suspect!
This is a question that should have been asked of Garcia that night, by both the Commission and TMT.
And is the real reason Team Maidana, is raising hell about being allowed to use their magic gloves is because they've used thin gloves before in ignorance. Because here something that Garcia cannot get away from -- If he cannot tell that those gloves were thin in the knuckle on May 3rd, then he most likely allowed the use of thinned gloves before, because he doesn't know any better.
And that situation would demand that Garcia be thoroughly informed and trained about the proper thickness of Pro. boxing gloves going forward.
#2 - All this talk about allowing Maidana to wear his gloves of choice is a valid one -- But they must have the recommended amount of padding. He cannot have his special gloves with diminished padding and think that everyone should go along with that BS.
#3 - TMT has to learn to accept the decisions of the NSAC and also accept that just because TMT is the A-side, doesn't mean that they can control every aspect of the event. And it doesn't mean that they have the final say in all matters.
Now point\question number one, doesn't infer guilt, nor does it imply that Garcia knowingly and was willingly allowing the use of thinned gloves.
But it does suggest that if he doesn't know the difference, then now is the time to learn.
Floys has a problem with MX gloves yet he fights Cotto with MX gloves...I love everyone's logic here. Both supporters and haters.
One flock of morons claim that he didn't want Maidana to used them so he could fight him with "pillow" gloves.
The other flock of deluded f*cks think Maidana was trying to use some illegal gloves and they knew about it. Some crazy conspiracy theory right there.
The fact is that they used the pair of gloves that weren't approved by the NSAC to keep playing stupid mind games. Now that Maidanana didn't KO or hurt floyd, retards think he was using "pillows"... Gime me break.
Look, how do you flat-out dismiss what someone in the room at the time stated that doesn't have a stake in the argument.
An eyewitness confirmed that the blue custom gloves were not in factory packing, but in saran wrap.
I'm not stating this because I wasn't there .... But someone who manufacture's professional gloves stated this!!!!
Without any particular stake in the argument myself, just to point out that obviously a Grant rep. does have some motivation to discredit Everlast, as a rival glove manufacturer - it's not just some disinterested bystander passing opinion.
I didnt really follow the glove issue but if Grant said they were wrapped in saran wrap then thats funny but not suspicious thay they were trying to cheat.
Recently Vitali stopped, i think Wach, from using gloves cause they were thin in the padding so maybe this is the issue.
I wasnt there, didnt feel the gloves and really wouldnt know what the difference was but i dont think the commission would allow Maidana to use much bigger gloves just to help out Floyd.
Dont think gloves made a difference in Maidana losing
Look, the blue gloves were crap and were not wrapped in professional packaging. What happened to them, who knows? I do not know if the red ones were taken out of the professional packaging or not. I believe the black ones were. Both the black and red ones were approved. If you are questioning whether the gloves were tampered with, who knows, and I am sure we will never find out. They(Blue MX) probably were tampered with because I do not remember the Mayweathers having a issue with Cotto's gloves. He was wearing the MX glove also. You could see from the video that those blue ones were not right.
It's an other example of the ridiculous situations that unfold when a sport is weakly regulated and the rules are made up as you go along. The NSAC should have, in the most diplomatic language possible, told Floyd to go fuck himself. Unless Everlast have decided to sabotage their company just for the hell of it, Mayweather had no grounds for having the gloves changed.
Exactly the point I was making in the OP .... Before the fan-boys started defending something they're not in a position to defend.
Garcia should have picked up that the gloves would not be approved before ever letting anyone touch them and TMT should have accepted the decision of the NSAC once all the blue gloves were tossed.
Adding: No one would even suggest that Everlast would sabotage their companies business future, but defects do happen and happen all the time.
Somebody on Maidana's team should have (once they felt the gloves) said or asked the question ..... Will these pass NSAC inspection?????
you can look at it any way you want it and go on and post all the videos you want. but the truth is floyd didnt want marcos to have NO punchers gloves period. even if they were approved tmt didnt care cause health comes first. how floyd has fans is beyond me.
It's an other example of the ridiculous situations that unfold when a sport is weakly regulated and the rules are made up as you go along. The NSAC should have, in the most diplomatic language possible, told Floyd to go fuck himself. Unless Everlast have decided to sabotage their company just for the hell of it, Mayweather had no grounds for having the gloves changed.
Look, how do you flat-out dismiss what someone in the room at the time stated that doesn't have a stake in the argument.
An eyewitness confirmed that the blue custom gloves were not in factory packing, but in saran wrap.
I'm not stating this because I wasn't there .... But someone who manufacture's professional gloves stated this!!!!
This silly thread is massively overdone, lol. Congrats TS!
Look, the blue gloves were crap and were not wrapped in professional packaging. What happened to them, who knows? I do not know if the red ones were taken out of the professional packaging or not. I believe the black ones were. Both the black and red ones were approved. If you are questioning whether the gloves were tampered with, who knows, and I am sure we will never find out. They(Blue MX) probably were tampered with because I do not remember the Mayweathers having a issue with Cotto's gloves. He was wearing the MX glove also. You could see from the video that those blue ones were not right.
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/everlast-ceo-explains-customized-gloves-
Look, how do you flat-out dismiss what someone in the room at the time stated that doesn't have a stake in the argument.
An eyewitness confirmed that the blue custom gloves were not in factory packing, but in saran wrap.
I'm not stating this because I wasn't there .... But someone who manufacture's professional gloves stated this!!!!
So you're some kind of pro retard that keeps posting this sht?
Thanks for the red K by the way, it really hurt my feelings. :lol1:
I see you can't really debate without cartoons ....... So, I'll entertain your stupidity.
http://4funz.com/Funny-Pictures/memes/fail/img-moron-148
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/everlast-ceo-explains-customized-gloves-
Morton continued,"The gloves come in, we***8217;ll select out of the six pairs, three, randomly and we send them to Golden Boy. Golden Boy then takes those three pairs and takes them to the commission for approval as they did yesterday. It***8217;s he first time the fighters will see the gloves, the fighters selects one of the three pairs, like anyone else can. That***8217;s the process."
The fact that you have never laced up a pair of MX's proves how little you know about the subject matter. Let's say Maidana's camp did remove some padding, how would they be able to restore them back to the same condition without the factory equipment needed to make the gloves?
:pat:
I can not only show picture of me in the gym, but also, show picture of the gym I had in my house -- Search the training section ... Idiot!!!!
Now, since you brought it up ....... How many picture can you show of you being in the gym?????????????????
Here's where real knowledge separates from the fantasy shit you're talking -- Gloves are kneaded in the knuckle to soften the material.
Are you implying that Everlast - one of the most renown sports equipment manufacturer, purposely designed the gloves to have less padding on the knuckles?
No stupid .... Aside from fake statements, you also can't fuckin read. Find where I made that statement ...... I'm be waiting while you don't post anymore.
Here's something you failed to mention, why hasn't the NSAC taken action against Madiana's camp if the gloves were in fact illegal?
If reaching makes you feel taller then have at it.
No one ever stated that the gloves were illegal, only that the material had shifted.
Further more A GRANT GLOVE MANUFACTURER WAS THERE FOR THE WHOLE THING .... So, who's opinion carries the most weight, some moron on a forum whose never been in a boxing ring or boxed -- Or a professional glove maker who clearly stated that something was suspect.
I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.
Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings suspicion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.
Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.
I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.
So you're some kind of pro retard that keeps posting this sht?
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/45327368.jpg
Thanks for the red K by the way, it really hurt my feelings. :lol1:
I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.
Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings suspicion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.
Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.
I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.
You still miss the point. Answer this basic question without going into these conspiracy theories.
What benefit would Garcia have in turning in gloves that he knows won't be approved?
If they were out of the package like you said, ok that's fine it shouldn't have been done and maybe they messed up. At the same time, it's a non issue because you don't cheat before turning them in.
Like I said before, these gloves are hand made, they will never be exactly the same. So the commission can refuse them for that very reason. There is no "standard" in these gloves.
I just think you are insinuating something that is a non issue is all man. I don't think Garcia is a glove maker, or knows what or won't be approved by the commission.
It's not uncommon to open the gloves and try them on before you hand them over, especially if they are special order gloves. Maybe they wanted to check them out and look them over.
Bottom line is you are making some pretty big accusations and so is this Grant glove rep. You don't cheat by giving the "illegal" gloves to the commission....LOL
What part of that don't you understand? You cheat when you get the gloves back and then take padding out or load them.
This is absurd and it's a non issue. We have Everlast MX in the gym and I can tell you they look very worn the day they come out of the box. They have that look because they are horse hair, not foam.
I understand all too well that there are some very questionable discrepancies.
Some which led to all the Blue Gloves being blanket rejected. Now if this brings suspicion on Garcia, then it is what it is. But you as well are making several assumptions in your comments -- Of which I made only suggestions about whether Garcia knew those gloves would be questioned, & if he didn't then he needs to revisit what will pass an inspection and what won't.
Having a box of gloves all without their factory sealing and wrapped in saran wrap would be questioned by anybody.
I've never worn Everlast, only Rival, Title and Grant, which weren't mine. So, other than the pictures I have no experience with the MX's.
what's the point of bringing up what gloves were not approved by nsac? the fact still remains that floyd didn't allow maidana to wear even the ones approved by nsac.
besides, it could very well be that those initial gloves got disapproved by nsac when floyd started complaining. if nsac approved those kind of gloves before or will approve it in the future then it is so obvious that they just tried to accomodate floyd's complaints.
a big b itch move by floyd no matter how you spin it.
^^^Right on point. Green for you sir.
what's the point of bringing up what gloves were not approved by nsac? the fact still remains that floyd didn't allow maidana to wear even the ones approved by nsac.
besides, it could very well be that those initial gloves got disapproved by nsac when floyd started complaining. if nsac approved those kind of gloves before or will approve it in the future then it is so obvious that they just tried to accomodate floyd's complaints.
a big b itch move by floyd no matter how you spin it.
The gloves are mailed to the commission wrapped up straight from Everlast. Garcia didn't see the gloves until that night. No other camp that Maidana has fought has ever objected these gloves. Floyd knows the gloves were legal he just wanted Maidana to use pillow gloves so he wouldn't feel the punches as much.
The Grant Rep. who was there, stated that the Blue gloves were not factory packaged and were wrapped in Saran Wrap.
And the gloves Team Maidana had, had been opened prior to the controversy and re-wrapped in Saran wrap .......
This is the statement in the above video from the Grant Representative.
It's not uncommon to open the gloves and try them on before you hand them over, especially if they are special order gloves. Maybe they wanted to check them out and look them over.
Bottom line is you are making some pretty big accusations and so is this Grant glove rep. You don't cheat by giving the "illegal" gloves to the commission....LOL
What part of that don't you understand? You cheat when you get the gloves back and then take padding out or load them.
This is absurd and it's a non issue. We have Everlast MX in the gym and I can tell you they look very worn the day they come out of the box. They have that look because they are horse hair, not foam.