Here are a few I consider very overrated:
Bradley - he apparently 'finds a way to win'...in other words he gets gift decisions. Pretty solid all-round fighter, but how/why people had him as high as 3rd in their P4P rankings is beyond me. His best win (legit win) is against a 40 year old Marquez who has a history of struggling against fighters who can move.
D.Garcia - slow, flat-footed, no head movement, no jab. He's got decent power and a good chin, but he lacks natural boxing ability. He can easily be outboxed.
Provodnikov - talentless, predictable, robotic. Extremely overrated power. Good watch though.
Maidana - he's been getting so much unwarranted hype recently. I like him, but he's no monster.
Here are a few I consider very overrated:
Bradley - he apparently 'finds a way to win'...in other words he gets gift decisions. Pretty solid all-round fighter, but how/why people had him as high as 3rd in their P4P rankings is beyond me. His best win (legit win) is against a 40 year old Marquez who has a history of struggling against fighters who can move.
D.Garcia - slow, flat-footed, no head movement, no jab. He's got decent power and a good chin, but he lacks natural boxing ability. He can easily be outboxed.
Provodnikov - talentless, predictable, robotic. Extremely overrated power. Good watch though.
Maidana - he's been getting so much unwarranted hype recently. I like him, but he's no monster.
Every fighter you just mentioned on your list are the exact opposite of overrated.
Bradley's resume speaks for itself the fact you'd think he's overrated is a joke.
Danny Garcia has beaten the top dogs in his division.
Provodnikov arguably beat Bradley in their battle, and he made a warrior like Alvarado quit.
Maidana earned his shot against Mayweather by humiliating Broner.
That each one of these guys is beatable doesn't make them overrated.
Thurman is an offensive fighter, he's going to get caught with big shots from time to time, his chin seems fine to me.
Bingo. And the scary part is, he doesn't really get tagged that often. The Chaves fight was an outlier. Chaves is a monster @ WW.
Towards the last few seconds if you just look at his body language and his footing when moving back, doesn't look like he was on 100% stable legs.
But never the less it was a impressive win.
I literally re watched the fight 30 minutes ago. I didn't see him being stunned. I saw him being crowded.
Thurman is very hittable. He may get away with that against fighters like Diaz and Chaves, but he'll hit the deck when he steps up in competition.
Which offensive fighter isn't hittable?
Chaves has got power.
And Diaz is no bum, he gave Khan and Porter very tough fights recently.
Neither Bradley nor Provodnikov are overrated. Thurman is more overrated than those guys. Maidana might be a little overrated, but before the Broner win he was underrated.
What would Guerrero have to gain from fighting a relative no-name in Thurman?
Porter has a mandatory. Thurman will just have to wait his turn.
He would gain money and a name on his resume. It's better than sitting on your backside and waiting for some bum opponent to be offered to you, no?
Porter could've fought Thurman instead of Pauli. He turned it down.
1. When was he actually stunned? Oh, you mean when Al Bernstein told you he was?
2. Diaz has good power.
lol it's ridiculous how much Thurman's chin is being questioned.
He wasn't even remotely hurt at any stage in the Diaz fight.
He took numerous bombs from Chaves who's a serious puncher and wasn't seriously hurt at any stage.
Against Soto Karass he got caught with a huge right he didn't see coming and imo he was off balance rather than hurt, if you watch the replay carefully you'll see what I mean. He takes an awkward step forward and looks off balance. He put his hands down straight after that and invited more pressure, that's not a sign of somebody who's hurt...
Thurman is an offensive fighter, he's going to get caught with big shots from time to time, his chin seems fine to me.
'Overrated' is a subjective term, in my opinion they are very overrated.
Thurman has beaten everyone that's been put in front of him. Porter, Maidana, Guerrero, Pauli etc have all openly turned down a fight with him. Can't force people to get in the ring with him.
What would Guerrero have to gain from fighting a relative no-name in Thurman?
Porter has a mandatory. Thurman will just have to wait his turn.
Bradley and Garcia aren't overrated. They've beaten some good names.
Who has Thurman beat? And don't tell me, "He's being ducked". Thurman is wide open when he throws punches, and he still don't know about his chin. Diaz stunned him, and Diaz isn't known for his power.
1. When was he actually stunned? Oh, you mean when Al Bernstein told you he was?
2. Diaz has good power.
Bradley and Garcia aren't overrated. They've beaten some good names.
Who has Thurman beat? And don't tell me, "He's being ducked". Thurman is wide open when he throws punches, and he still don't know about his chin. Diaz stunned him, and Diaz isn't known for his power.
'Overrated' is a subjective term, in my opinion they are very overrated.
Thurman has beaten everyone that's been put in front of him. Porter, Maidana, Guerrero, Pauli etc have all openly turned down a fight with him. Can't force people to get in the ring with him.
He didn't earn that spot though, or at least deserve to be mentioned as a P4P fighter? (pre-Pac 2 loss)
I don't think so. Maybe top 10, definitely not top 3.
Bradley and Garcia aren't overrated. They've beaten some good names.
Who has Thurman beat? And don't tell me, "He's being ducked". Thurman is wide open when he throws punches, and he still don't know about his chin. Diaz stunned him, and Diaz isn't known for his power.
Bradley beat Miguel Vazquez, beat Witter when he was 36-1-2 in England, beat Holt who was champ and good at the time, beat L.Peterson who was 26-0 at the time, then add Alexander, Provodnikov,JMM to the list all with no punching power he has come up the hard way...
To answer your question GGG, Thurman, and Lara
Most people.
A lot of guys had him top 3 P4P and still have him near the top.
He didn't earn that spot though, or at least deserve to be mentioned as a P4P fighter? (pre-Pac 2 loss)
GGG, Mikey Garcia, Kovolev, Quillen. None of these guys are bums, but none of them deserve much praise for their resumes so far. Hopefully the guys with the deep pockets (HBO, Showtime) force these guys to fight some live competition for once.
Other than the Thurman fight, I've seen very little of him. He looked solid in that fight though.
Apparently he was rated higher than Mattyhsse and Maidana in Argentina before the Thurman fight.
I'd like to see him get more exposure in the US for sure.
Would make no sense if he was rated higher than Maidana and Lucas, those 2 have superior resumes and have pretty good followings in Argentina. But yes i also want to see Chaves fight on US TV again, him vs Karras or Lopez would be a good comeback fight for him. Would also be his best win if he was to get it.