Matthysse Dominated That Fight and I think Improved As A Boxer In The Process

I keep hearing people saying he didn't look good, went life and death, etc. Well let's look at it logically instead of that fanboy emotional **** that every female that posts here is on about. Rd 1, Not much Happened, Molina momentarily stunned Matthyse got the rd. Rd 2 Not much happened again, matthysse was getting warmer, and bam got tagged by two big hooks. Rd 3, Matthysse gets going a little better Rd 4 Matthyse continuing to warm it up and take over Rd 5 Matthysse beginning to dominate then bam behind the head sht Rd6-11 Matthysse domination What do we know about Matthysse? He's a slow starter. Always has been. One thing that was bugging me early on was Matthysse's footwork. He's always been a bit wild at times and loses balance, but early in this fight its as if his legs simply weren't going where he wanted them too, and it was getting him caught with that hook, when in previous fights he would step back. Im guessing it was ring rust, because later in the fight he showed some great footwork and step back defense. Now on to how I think Matthysse in this fight alone has now improved his game. Specifically his infighting. As aggressive and attacking as he has always been, his inside game has never been top notch. As the fight went on he started using his body to roll into his punches, gain leverage, have the upper hand and a view of everything that was going on. It's as if something clicked for him, and you could see it in the fight, because it's when he really started brutalizing Molina. I also would like to applaud the use of his jab later in the fight. People are going to blindly say, oh Matthysse, that one trick pony. Can't mix it up. Well no, he's not going to ever box off the back foot, it's not his game, but if you didn't see what I saw above, rethink your assessment skills, because he fully changed his approach throughout the fight. Let's not forget Garcia was as big as a favorite and looked like a one trick pony in the schooling Herrera put on him. Garcia never tried to change it up. oh but he a boxer doe oh but he fights off the back foot doe oh but he can counter punch doe

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you appear to be grouping in any means of winning under the umbrella of "outboxing." i don't. I call anything where a guy clearly wins rounds outboxing. It isnt a style thing, its a winning thing. Outworking, outfighting, whatever you wanna call it, Lucas was doing it. Take away Molina's 2 KD punches and it was a shut out

12y ago

samoura

I would use the word "outworking" or something. Molina's only clearly won rounds were the KD rounds, and he was losing the 5th before scoring that questionable KD. Lucas was basically outfighting him for the majority of the fight. Molina had some scattered moments but 75% of each round was Matthysse until he really took over later in the fight, and then it was like full-on pulverization. I got uncomfortable watching Molina take that kind of punishment. Was a great fight though.

12y ago

New_England

Molina did not win 1 round clearly and was clearly outlanded in every round, that's called outboxing. But his power is very good and he got 2 KD calls, which were the only reason he won those roinds, his power. you appear to be grouping in any means of winning under the umbrella of "outboxing." i don't.

12y ago

Russian_Crushin

the two knockdowns for certain. early in the fight there were some close rounds. i haven't scored it yet, and probably won't considering the outcome. i was responding to the part of your post that said matthysse "outboxed" molina, which you addressed in another post. Molina did not win 1 round clearly and was clearly outlanded in every round, that's called outboxing. But his power is very good and he got 2 KD calls, which were the only reason he won those roinds, his power.

12y ago

New_England

What rounds did Molina clearly win? The first few rounds werent like the last few but Molina wasn't winning any the two knockdowns for certain. early in the fight there were some close rounds. i haven't scored it yet, and probably won't considering the outcome. i was responding to the part of your post that said matthysse "outboxed" molina, which you addressed in another post. the real asskicking didn't really start until the 8th round, if memory serves right. i'd agree that you probably can't give molina any rounds "clearly." what i'm disputing in the thread is that idea that matthysse was "dominant" throughout the fight. that's just not what happened.

12y ago

JaguaresMx

I like Mattyhsse and wanted him to give a stunning KO last night. However, I lost some confidence in him and I no longer think the Garcia fight was a fluke. Lucas showed that he still panics and will abandon his defense for the sake of hunting his opponent. This makes him incredibly exciting to watch, but also a really target and causes his ring iq to lapse. I like the guy more than ever, as an entertainer, but his flaws were very evident last night. It's embarrassing when people lie to themselves about what they saw, just to bolster their fanaticism over a fighter. I think Lucas is not as confident and becomes emotionally vulnerable. When he gets hurt or down, he looks like the world got taken from him. Danny Garcia, for easy comparison, is kind of the opposite, very basic boxer not particularly great at anything, but his dad instilled him to believe that he is special.Of course, Herrera beat him, but he won't take it personal like Lucas did. It's in the head.

12y ago

John_Barron

I hope Lucas stays at 140. I think he's too small for 147 if going against Thurman or Porter. He looked tiny next to Molina and Danny was naturally bigger. He should just rule 140. He seems to make weight fine. Some guys aren't meant to go up or just hit the max. No shame in that: you can't change your body. He might not be indestructible, but he is one of the funnest guys to have. Let's just enjoy that instead of being imbecile fan boys john molina is a pretty big guy, he looked bigger than thurman. he looks like a welterweight.

12y ago

Russian_Crushin

there really wasn't much "outboxing" being done, crush. that's not what he set out to do. matthysse did his best work when he backed molina up. When I say outboxing, I mean winning rounds. Other then the 2 KD blows, you can't clearly give Molina any rounds

12y ago

JaguaresMx

I agree. I hope he stays. Maidana was able to put on some thickness, and I'm not sure Matthysse would fill out like that. It's interesting to see how much water weight he regains though. I can't figure that one out. Yeah, Lucas can't add height or more muscle. He really belongs at 140 just like Pac/JMM. I am fascinated by the differences between el Chino and Lucas. Maidana is "thick" borderline chubby for boxing standards. But he is more durable. I've never seen Maidana marked up. It's strange. As good as Lucas is, I think that el Chino is mentally stronger, cagier, nastier. I might be way off base here, but look how emotional Lucas gets at the end of fights. For all the "Machine," he's more vulnerable, shy, quiet; always thanks his closer friends. He even wears those fake teeth. in comparison Chino is quiet because zero **** are given. This is to say that Lucas may be more talented, but Chino is bigger, nastier, and more confident. love them both though

12y ago

Russian_Crushin

what fight were you guys watching last night? on what planet did this happen? What rounds did Molina clearly win? The first few rounds werent like the last few but Molina wasn't winning any

12y ago

New_England

Yet he couldnt effectively outbox Lucas clearly for even 1 round. Everything was centered around his good power there really wasn't much "outboxing" being done, crush. that's not what he set out to do. matthysse did his best work when he backed molina up. what matthysse does well is move his head while fighting. it's really not boxing.

12y ago

Russian_Crushin

He wasn't clearly outboxed til later in the fight. The first half, Molina was giving him lots of problems. He was given him problems, yes, but he wasn't winning rounds

12y ago

Redd_Foxx

12y ago

John_Barron

He wasn't clearly outboxed til later in the fight. The first half, Molina was giving him lots of problems. i was watching post fight interviews last night and i recall matthysse even admitting that. lucas had to adjust because the counter right hands kept catching him when he was barreling his way in.

12y ago

Russian_Crushin

Lol that's all he showed huh? Go rewatch the fight plz. He staggered Lucas on at least one occasion, knocked him down and he touched him much more than expected. Seriously I swear some of u guys must completely shut off your senses when watching fights. Yet he couldnt effectively outbox Lucas clearly for even 1 round. Everything was centered around his good power

12y ago

Da_Machine

I hope Lucas stays at 140. I think he's too small for 147 if going against Thurman or Porter. He looked tiny next to Molina and Danny was naturally bigger. He should just rule 140. He seems to make weight fine. Some guys aren't meant to go up or just hit the max. No shame in that: you can't change your body. He might not be indestructible, but he is one of the funnest guys to have. Let's just enjoy that instead of being imbecile fan boys I agree. I hope he stays. Maidana was able to put on some thickness, and I'm not sure Matthysse would fill out like that. It's interesting to see how much water weight he regains though. I can't figure that one out.

12y ago

JaguaresMx

12y ago

New_England

I don't know you at all, and you are nobody in the boxing world. What I do know is that you have long discredited Matthysse at every chance you get. Matthysse won every minute of the fight besides a few power punches stunning him. If that's not dominant enough for you then fine. It is to me. that's not entirely true. i don't do what i used to, but i had media credentials for several years. i'm not saying that i was an accomplished writer, only that i'm not a complete nobody. you almost surely wouldn't have heard of me. i've never interviewed or covered any of matthysse or molina's fights from ringside, but i've covered fights and interviewed opponents of each man. i've covered fights on showtime, HBO, and ESPN. local TV, too. all fights were in massachusetts or CT. i won't be giving my name out, and i don't care whether or not you believe me. i saw matthysse fight garcia in vegas. i haven't covered fights or gotten credentials in several years.

12y ago

Kagami_Taiga

This is the problem with threads like these. It was expected that Lucas put on a showcase and punish Molina. That was expected. Lucas did what was expected. What wasn't expected that Lucas gets touched up, wobbled, and knocked down. The unexpected happened because of Molina not Lucas so why exactly ppl are so impressed by Lucas in this fight is beyond me. Ppl just need to hype their fighters I guess. But it's ridiculous around here at times.

12y ago

radioraheem

And other than the KDs he was clearly outboxed and beat down the entire fight by lucas. His power got him 1 legit KD and thats all that showed in the fight He wasn't clearly outboxed til later in the fight. The first half, Molina was giving him lots of problems.

12y ago