40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

Still at it lol. If he was offered a 60 40 split, indeed that would be a better deal but he wasn't. He was offered 40m flat which is unfair and degrading WTF are you babbling about? He asked a question and I responded. Based on a 100 million dollar split what is more 40 million flat or 40%. Like I said keep playing the Manny victim card, oh Manny 40 million is so offensive Manny was totally right in doing absolutely nothing, YAY way to go Manny way to get offended!

Still at it lol. If he was offered a 60 40 split, indeed that would be a better deal but he wasn't. He was offered 40m flat which is unfair and degrading Looks like you are still at it buddy. Never was it a 40 million flat offer. Floyd has said it, Manny has said it, Koncz and Ariza have said it. 40 million was the guarantee, and nothing else was discussed because Manny hung up the phone. 4 separate people close to the subject have said this, but you steadily want to believe it was a flat fee. :kabong:

Still at it lol. If he was offered a 60 40 split, indeed that would be a better deal but he wasn't. He was offered 40m flat which is unfair and degrading Have u ever heard of the word "negotiate"? Do you know what it means? Typically in actual negotiations, assuming that both parties actually WANT to get something accomplished, things like this happen. The "low ball" 40 million offer could have been countered with another offer, eventually ending in both sides meeting half way on a fair deal for both sides, but it never got that far because Pacquiao cut off the conversation after two minutes...for a third time. Go ahead...I know you'll spin it anyway u can, but facts are facts.

you missed the point completely. you keep talking about banned substances on a list. floyd had no fear of testing for any banned substance, you know why, because it's all natural. now manny on the other hand wasn't all natural hence your concern that he might get caught if tested more thoroughly. that's the whole point of random testing to keep fighters clean they have a list of things they can take and not take if manny was on something on that usada list then i can see why he walked away from 50/50. So why does Floyd insist on using Usada, which is more expensive and never prevented a cheat from entering the ring. Maybe cause they're willing to sign that no disclosure clause and suppress positive tests, like that rumor about him failing 3x. Like Dan Rafael said, when there's smoke, there often fire

It is early to start this conversation and that is not a yes or no question, also I never said the offer was good I said it was fair not exactly the same thing. I think it was fair because back then I did the numbers and 60/40 was not totally out there based on the numbers floating around and the biggest fight ever (at that point) had the fighters splitting roughly 80 million so them splitting 100 million would be pretty damn good, now he could obviously get a better deal that being the opening offer so I wouldn't call it good but for what it was it was a fair starting point. Still at it lol. If he was offered a 60 40 split, indeed that would be a better deal but he wasn't. He was offered 40m flat which is unfair and degrading

Answerable by yes or no only, bro... are you saying the 40 m offer is good because you're a Floyd fan or you're saying it because you think, business-wise, it is a really good offer? It is early to start this conversation and that is not a yes or no question, also I never said the offer was good I said it was fair not exactly the same thing. I think it was fair because back then I did the numbers and 60/40 was not totally out there based on the numbers floating around and the biggest fight ever (at that point) had the fighters splitting roughly 80 million so them splitting 100 million would be pretty damn good, now he could obviously get a better deal that being the opening offer so I wouldn't call it good but for what it was it was a fair starting point.

I already humored you enough and this has gone no where and is not on the path to going anywhere, I have made my point clear and you have made it clear you are out to make excuses for Manny and blame Floyd without thinking critically at all constantly bringing in stuff that has nothing to do with the thread at hand. I don't put much stock in anything that Floyd says, the only reason the 40 million thing is worth talking about somewhat is both sides tell the same story essentially. Lots of other stuff you are talking about is he said/she said stuff from either side that has little to no meaning other than posturing Just came from another thread where even Floyd fans are saying that the $40 mill offer was a joke. How can you even defend it is beyond comprehension. FACEOFF: You sound like Bradley but everyone is agreeing with Max Kellerman "You won 8-4? Bradley? You are Bradley? ....." "you think Floyd should get ALL PPV MONEY? Floyd? ...."

So you can't be truthful ..... got it! Maybe you have a very short memory but back then Floyd fans were confused and couldn't believe that Floyd went and did what we Manny fans said that he would do. That is, once Manny would accept roadblock #1, Floyd would come back with roadblock #2. THE TRUTH: EVERYONE was SHOCKED at those statements that came from Floyd. That is the honest truth. PEDS was the issue and now it's money? :lol1: No spinning ...... facts! I already humored you enough and this has gone no where and is not on the path to going anywhere, I have made my point clear and you have made it clear you are out to make excuses for Manny and blame Floyd without thinking critically at all constantly bringing in stuff that has nothing to do with the thread at hand. I don't put much stock in anything that Floyd says, the only reason the 40 million thing is worth talking about somewhat is both sides tell the same story essentially. Lots of other stuff you are talking about is he said/she said stuff from either side that has little to no meaning other than posturing

WTF are you even talking about with this nonsense, asking me to be truthful when spewing this pure garbage. C'mon man this is not even worth of a response, but keeping spinning. So you can't be truthful ..... got it! Maybe you have a very short memory but back then Floyd fans were confused and couldn't believe that Floyd went and did what we Manny fans said that he would do. That is, once Manny would accept roadblock #1, Floyd would come back with roadblock #2. THE TRUTH: EVERYONE was SHOCKED at those statements that came from Floyd. That is the honest truth. PEDS was the issue and now it's money? :lol1: No spinning ...... facts! It took a week or two then the die-hard Floyd fans started to defend Floyd's new roadblock.

They were in the same boat as in 2009. In 2009, Manny had the edge as relatively, Floyd didn't do that well with Marquez while Manny was tearing it up in 2008 and 2009. After 2011, Floyd may have had a slight edge but not to the extent that you are suggesting. So a serious offer should have been made from the get go IF FLOYD REALLY WANTED THE FIGHT ON .... but he didn't! You have a short memory but before Floyd opened his mouth this was a non-issue. We all thought that since Manny accepted the PEDs testing that there would be no issue. We all thought that this was a 50/50 revenue sharing deal. Only once Floyd brought it up did the Floyd fans say what you are saying ..... even then, the first few times we heard it was just a rumor and you Floyd fans said "We need to hear it from Floyd or else it's not true" Again, be truthful. When Floyd made that statement, EVERYONE WAS SHOCKED! After all that time where Floyd kept on saying "TAKE THE TEST AND WE HAVE A FIGHT" to a new roadblock. If I was a Floyd fan at that point, Floyd would have lost me as a fan so fast! WTF are you even talking about with this nonsense, asking me to be truthful when spewing this pure garbage. C'mon man this is not even worth of a response, but keeping spinning.

you've been placed on my ignore list. goodnight troll lmao. You are so sensitive .... take it easy as we are just discussing ..... good night :lol1:

Estimates are not sure things guaranteed purses are, but if they actually negotiated it out that would have been a fair point from Manny's side to make sure he got to take advantage if that situation took place. Floyd probably would have been accommodating in such a request because Manny if he gets a flat fee has no skin in the game to promote the fight he would be set, and for the fight to reach it's potential Manny would need to help promote it. They never asked Floyd about 45 or 50 they just threw that out to the media, Floyd would have refused but they never really made that play, if they did at least that would be a counter offer but Floyd was clearly the a-side by that point so he was calling the shots. That is a false equivalency They were in the same boat as in 2009. In 2009, Manny had the edge as relatively, Floyd didn't do that well with Marquez while Manny was tearing it up in 2008 and 2009. After 2011, Floyd may have had a slight edge but not to the extent that you are suggesting. So a serious offer should have been made from the get go IF FLOYD REALLY WANTED THE FIGHT ON .... but he didn't! You have a short memory but before Floyd opened his mouth this was a non-issue. We all thought that since Manny accepted the PEDs testing that there would be no issue. We all thought that this was a 50/50 revenue sharing deal. Only once Floyd brought it up did the Floyd fans say what you are saying ..... even then, the first few times we heard it was just a rumor and you Floyd fans said "We need to hear it from Floyd or else it's not true" Again, be truthful. When Floyd made that statement, EVERYONE WAS SHOCKED! After all that time where Floyd kept on saying "TAKE THE TEST AND WE HAVE A FIGHT" to a new roadblock. If I was a Floyd fan at that point, Floyd would have lost me as a fan so fast!

Funny how you put it .... Floyd was just coming back from retirement and only had Marquez fight which did less than Manny vs Cotto. Then there were only 2 other fights for Floyd that did better but like I said, only 2 fights and the way you talk about the Marquez fight, well, Manny is very comparable to Floyd. So that is why the $40 mill flat rate was a joke. You need to man up. It was a joke. Not a serious offer. Floyd continued to tell us that he was serious about it. He told all the media that he couldn't do less than that. Bob Costas said "How about your legacy" Floyd said "Health comes first" Bob's expression : :wtf1: Yea but they were with common opponents and Floyd did a ****ton more with Oscar. That has nothing to do with the flat fee at all. It was a serious offer, I thought it then I think it now and nothing you have said has changed any of that, you have just spouted off random stuff making excuses for Manny. Now Manny was fine refusing it, as it was a first offer and you never accept a first offer, the problem was no follow up to even try to make something happen. Why do you feel the need to give him a pass and make excuses for his side doing ****ing nothing, at that moment in time to make anything happen?

All estimates suggested that it would smash records. That is why a percentage is better than a flat rate. Floyd didn't want $45 nor $50 million guaranteed. Why? because of what I said ..... the potential was there. Estimates are not sure things guaranteed purses are, but if they actually negotiated it out that would have been a fair point from Manny's side to make sure he got to take advantage if that situation took place. Floyd probably would have been accommodating in such a request because Manny if he gets a flat fee has no skin in the game to promote the fight he would be set, and for the fight to reach it's potential Manny would need to help promote it. They never asked Floyd about 45 or 50 they just threw that out to the media, Floyd would have refused but they never really made that play, if they did at least that would be a counter offer but Floyd was clearly the a-side by that point so he was calling the shots. That is a false equivalency

The first part no, I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Floyd even at that point was just as big. His fights with Oscar and Hatton were bigger and the JMM fight did only a bit short of the Cotto fight and exceeded almost everyone's expectations. 50/50 was the right number at that point and it has been drifting in Floyd's favor ever since. They never found that out, you can think that and it was within Manny's teams power to prove he wasn't serious but they never did anything other than talk **** and complain about Floyd's effort instead of you know making an effort, which you are making excuses for them not making. So you are happy Manny's team did dick to make anything happen at that point and just throwing blame on the other side, glad that is out in the open. Funny how you put it .... Floyd was just coming back from retirement and only had Marquez fight which did less than Manny vs Cotto. Then there were only 2 other fights for Floyd that did better but like I said, only 2 fights and the way you talk about the Marquez fight, well, Manny is very comparable to Floyd. So that is why the $40 mill flat rate was a joke. You need to man up. It was a joke. Not a serious offer. Yet, Floyd continued to tell us that he was serious about the $40 mill. He told all the media that he couldn't do less than I WANT ALL PPV MONEY. Bob Costas said "How about your legacy" Floyd said "Health comes first" Bob's expression : :wtf1:

Just for record the biggest fights ever push 200 million total revenue , which is basically a 100 million dollar pie (at the time it was even less Oscar Floyd split like 80) , so based on that 40 million is a fair guarantee even a bit high because asking a fight even one that looks like a sure thing to do the best ever is asking a lot. So if they split 100 and Manny gets 40 he would eb pulling 40% which would be fair, 60/40 probably would have got the job done and was relatively fair given where both were at. So if they split a 100 million what does it matter if Manny gets 40 million or 40% The only way Manny does poorly is if the fight smashed the record, and I don't think that is that big a problem because if they really talked it out Manny would have ended up with a better offer that took care of that kind of situation. All estimates suggested that it would smash records. That is why a percentage is better than a flat rate. Floyd didn't want $45 nor $50 million guaranteed. Why? because of what I said ..... the potential was there.

$40 mill is huge but not when the pie can be $150 to $200 mill+ Just for record the biggest fights ever push 200 million total revenue , which is basically a 100 million dollar pie (at the time it was even less Oscar Floyd split like 80) , so based on that 40 million is a fair guarantee even a bit high because asking a fight even one that looks like a sure thing to do the best ever is asking a lot. So if they split 100 and Manny gets 40 he would eb pulling 40% which would be fair, 60/40 probably would have got the job done and was relatively fair given where both were at. So if they split a 100 million what does it matter if Manny gets 40 million or 40% The only way Manny does poorly is if the fight smashed the record, and I don't think that is that big a problem because if they really talked it out Manny would have ended up with a better offer that took care of that kind of situation.

In 2009, Manny had the upper hand but didn't disrespect with crazy offers like that. People were thinking that Manny wouldn't accept 50/50 but he still accepted 50/50. It was not serious by Floyd. Floyd knew Manny would say no. So what's the point, really? Floyd didn't want to fight Manny. Just a bit before that incident Floyd said "Manny YOU are NEXT .....then NO I NEVER SAID THAT" The first part no, I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Floyd even at that point was just as big. His fights with Oscar and Hatton were bigger and the JMM fight did only a bit short of the Cotto fight and exceeded almost everyone's expectations. 50/50 was the right number at that point and it has been drifting in Floyd's favor ever since. They never found that out, you can think that and it was within Manny's teams power to prove he wasn't serious but they never did anything other than talk **** and complain about Floyd's effort instead of you know making an effort, which you are making excuses for them not making. So you are happy Manny's team did dick to make anything happen at that point and just throwing blame on the other side, glad that is out in the open.

They didn't talk that long and they really didn't negotiate. Floyd made an offer, Manny refused saying 50/50 and hung up the phone. Not talk to my people, 40 million sounds good but we need to really discuss this or anything that really left the door open. It should have been a starting point not an end of discussion, and if they actually tried and it didn't work whatever but they should have really tried, instead of just spinning and acting offended. That is not how you get things done~ I wasn't denying Manny was a big star but even then Floyd was bigger and I know all of that. It is still a huge pie (bigger then) and I still refuse to believe they can't find a way to cut it up if they really wanted to work at it In 2009, Manny had the upper hand but didn't disrespect with crazy offers like that. People were thinking that Manny wouldn't accept 50/50 but he still accepted 50/50. It was not serious by Floyd. Floyd knew Manny would say no. So what's the point, really? Floyd didn't want to fight Manny. Just a bit before that incident Floyd said "Manny YOU are NEXT .....then NO I NEVER SAID THAT" $40 mill is huge but not when the pie can be $150 to $200 mill+

You need to be truthful. It was NOT a serious offer made by Floyd. When Floyd told Manny NO PPV MONEY, it was after this. Back then Floyd was fighting once per year: - 2008 - No fights for Floyd - 2009 - Marquez - 2010 - Mosley - 2011 - Ortiz and Manny was still going strong and had a few really good PPVs too. 2008 - Marquez, Diaz, Oscar 2009 - Hatton, Cotto 2010 - Clottey, Margarito 2011 - Mosley, Marquez They didn't talk that long and they really didn't negotiate. Floyd made an offer, Manny refused saying 50/50 and hung up the phone. Not talk to my people, 40 million sounds good but we need to really discuss this or anything that really left the door open. It should have been a starting point not an end of discussion, and if they actually tried and it didn't work whatever but they should have really tried, instead of just spinning and acting offended. That is not how you get things done~ I wasn't denying Manny was a big star but even then Floyd was bigger and I know all of that. It is still a huge pie (bigger then) and I still refuse to believe they can't find a way to cut it up if they really wanted to work at it