Thoughts on Virgil

First thing I want to point out that NO one else has, is that their are THREE versions of Khan. Not two. The old Khan swarms in head first with his chin in the air, and throws flurries. The second Khan fought Molina. He was a very sharp counterpuncher, he steps to the side like a slick boxer, moves his head. Great short punches on the inside, mid-range, and outside. That fight looked like Floyd vs Gatti because of the speed, combinations, and slickness. In that fight he also got wobbles allot by Molina who is not puncher. Now the Third Khan who fought Diaz threw one punch a round. He was not confident in his head movement at all. Instead of having the temperament to be calm, slip the punch, let it fly over your head, he would panik and try to run away and get out of range. Allot of people forgot how sharp he was against Molina, despite having that chin tapped by a NON puncher. I gave Virgil a chance and did not get blinded by that Diaz fight. For he had completely changed Khan for Molina. But I think Virgil is only good with boxers. Mayfield should have made an ugly dog fight from the first round instead of getting out of range in the first round, against a taller guy. I dont think Virgil could have changed Perro at all. But again Perro is not a boxer he's a pressure fighter. He would be better off with Garcia. Thoughts?

Comments (20)

firstborn

I think Hunter is a good trainer but its not an easy task fixing damaged fighters, not every trainer can pull it off. Plus you never really know what goes on behind the scenes, if I recall this will be the first fight where Khan actually stayed in US to train between bouts. Khan's ability or inability to fully devote himself to Hunter's training methods play a huge role in his performance especially since he can no longer depend on his natural talent at this stage of his career. This next fight should reveal a lot about both Hunter and Khan.

12y ago

_original_

Guess I'm one of the few who think he's a good trainer. Not many trainers will get much out of the current versions of Angulo, Khan and Berto. Perhaps he needs to be more selective with the fighters he trains and welcomes to his team.

12y ago

MurkaMan

Dude is straight up creepy if you ask me. He did well with Ward but Andre seems like a very self motivated guy so I think a lot of trainers would have success with him. Not saying Virgil doesn't deserve some credit. Him pretty much begging Angulo to let his hands go was pretty funny. Something like "please Alfredo, let those beautiful hands that your were blessed with go" or something like that. Angulo should have quit right then and there... LOL I like it when Virgil says that stuff. Its funny but its cool too. "He wants to be whooped son...He wants to be whooped."

12y ago

MurkaMan

I think Hunter is overrated as a trainer. Khan had his best wins with Roach. If Hunter improved him for Molina he should have improved him more for Diaz. Collazo will be a good test for both fighter and trainer so I'll wait and see how Khan looks then. So far I've seen nothing special about Hunter as a trainer. He gets too excited in the corner and recently he has lost two in a row but that could happen to any trainer who's fighters are matched into very good fighters. First person to really notice that. Khan was very sharp for Molina. Almost a different fighter. It is THREE versions of Khan NOT two.

12y ago

MurkaMan

Mayfield did make it an ugly fight. He still lost. And I think hunter an average trainer. Claim to fame is Ward. He's done nothing with everyone else he has. No he didnt. Mayfiled tried to box midrange and the commentators talked about it from the opening round. He was really on the outside against a guy who was taller and longer. Mayfield should have got ugly on the inside how he normally fights. He didnt do that until the later rounds but he was tired and beat up by then.

12y ago

MurkaMan

He was just lucky to land ward. He cant make fighters like amir khan in a defensive counter puncher like ward. Look at the Molina fight. Khan WAS a very slick fighter in that fight. I made sure to put that in the post because people dont remember that. Its THREE versions of Khan not two.

12y ago

samoura

Virgil has very possibly neutered Khan. We'll see how he looks against Collazo. If he's not on his A-game he could very well be stopped.

12y ago

QballLobo

12y ago

HAYB

Virgil hasn't made his fighters better lately nor has he given great advice during fights. He did well motivating Angulo during the Lara fight but that's only one instance. The only fighters that have fought well under him have been Ward and Gonzales. I think Hunter has been overrated due to the success of Ward but Ward is a special fighter. Hunter isn't a special trainer. Maybe he just needs more time with his new fighters. Most of his relationships are new and still developing. The Mayfield fight makes me seriously doubt his game planning and in fight instructions. The reason why Ward and Gonzalez do well for Virgil is because they are fighters he's trained from the beginning of their career (including amateur). No matter what a trainer does or tells a fighter, he or she can't get in the ring and fight for them. I think he's a damn good trainer. But right now I feel Robert Garcia is the best trainer in boxing because he has completely turned around the careers of the fighters he has recently worked with.

12y ago

LoadedWraps

Top 5 trainer in the game right now.

12y ago

SeekDaGreat

For some reason his boxers do not listen to his instructions in the ring. I don't know what it is, or how he can change it, they just are not responsive to his instructions. That's a problem. Ward is just Ward, he was going to be great regardless if who trained him. Virgil has taken on all these boxers at a cross-roads and hasn't been so successful thus far.

12y ago

boliodogs

12y ago

Public_Enemy

12y ago

Bigg_Rigg

Mayfield did make it an ugly fight. He still lost. And I think hunter an average trainer. Claim to fame is Ward. He's done nothing with everyone else he has.

12y ago

fish262

He was just lucky to land ward. He cant make fighters like amir khan in a defensive counter puncher like ward.

12y ago

leathernvouges

The game plan he had for Angulo vs Canelo was terrible I think he got lucky with ward and khan looks terrible, his stable doesn't prove he's a good trainer

12y ago

IronDanHamza

Reminds me of more of a cheer leader than a Trainer.

12y ago

Rocky_Rode

Credit for training Ward and that Gonzales kid but all the rest have lost or looked dreadful. His advice in the corner is always cringe inducing. That creep was on between rounds, someone in the same room thought I was watching p0rn :lol1: I don't think he is a good trainer at all, hes an absolute weirdo who loves the sound of his own voice. Pure clown who tries being witty like Bernard Hopkins but fails. More of a spiritual motivator or some sh*t than a trainer For reals. His advice in between rounds doesn't help. He sounds like a bad motivational speaker. I was really surprised when HBO started hyping up his cornermen skills during the Mayfield-Dulorme fight. They're horrible.

12y ago

Cuban_Linx

12y ago

MurkaMan

Credit for training Ward and that Gonzales kid but all the rest have lost or looked dreadful. His advice in the corner is always cringe inducing. That creep was on between rounds, someone in the same room thought I was watching p0rn :lol1: I don't think he is a good trainer at all, hes an absolute weirdo who loves the sound of his own voice. Pure clown who tries being witty like Bernard Hopkins but fails. More of a spiritual motivator or some sh*t than a trainer I just think he wants to turn everyone into a midrange boxer. Everyone cant do that. He has to learn more.

12y ago