If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

Floyd is not Donaire or Agbeko...some of you people are fvcking retarded seriously And Rigo is Hatton, right?

Ok so now you're back to arguing that Floyd would hold the upper hand from the outside even though I already established Demarcus Corley and Zab Judah essentially forced Floyd to go inside on them because of how successful they were from the outside. That was pointless. Floyd didnt even go inside on either of those guys,, It was all over for zab as soon as floyd unleashed the lead right from the outside, and corley is a horrible example, the dude had one big round and then got completely outboxed and owned by floyd... Im sure rigo will have some bright moments in the fight but over 12 rounds floyd is gonna adapt and outpoint rigo If you wanna use the corley fights, then use the donaire fight when rigo got dropped, floyd should be able to drop rigo since donaire and a few others have been able to... Rigo is a legit top 3 p4p guy, but he is nowhere near as versatile as floyd is and that will be his down fall

Rigo is perhaps the only active boxer that p4p has a legit chance at outboxing Floyd thoroughly. You can point to Floyd's resume/experience and say the experience factor trumps pure skill, and I tend to agree, but rigos amateur record is disgusting, Rigo will sadly probably get shut down by the networks because casual fans don't understand it or like it, but I could see Floyd having problems to counter Rigo, and I think Rigo could find Floyd rather easily at first. To me it comes down to who adjusts and how. I could see Rigo being more aggressive, and successful at first, then Floyd adjusting, then seeing if Rigo readjusts back. Rigo is even harder to hit than Floyd and Floyd wouldn't let his hands go if he can't find Rigo consistently, I see a chess match of the highest level, pure boxing and counter punching attempts, I see both trying to dominate the center of the ring and many exciting flurries that end in one or the other masterfully slipping everything, or a few landed crisp shots with a counter following. Another factor is power, I think Floyd would be the stronger puncher but again, I don't see either finding each other enough for it to be a factor, I see a UD/SD in Rigos favor the cleaner the fight, the dirtier the fight, I see Floyd winning by MD, but I think both possess more than enough defense and chin to where a stoppage would be out of the question, barring a freak stoppage.

But that just shows Floyd's versatility, when need be he can change up styles and win fights.. Vs rigo he wouldn't need to be aggressive, he would just sit outside and circle rigo, pot shoting him to death and being very wary of getting into exchanges with rigo... I do believe rigo is one of the fees guys that could get the better of Floyd in exchanges, but I Floyd won't give him the opportunities. I will be the first to admit that if Floyd tries being aggressive and walking rigo down, rigo will make him pay and win, I just don't see Floyd being aggressive Ok so now you're back to arguing that Floyd would hold the upper hand from the outside even though I already established Demarcus Corley and Zab Judah essentially forced Floyd to go inside on them because of how successful they were from the outside. That was pointless.

I would say yes. For once, I could imagine somebody forcing Floyd to become the aggressor and matching (or even surpassing) Floyd in skill and technique.

You are not going to force him into being the aggressor, ever. He would win those rounds too, because he does enough posturing to give the appearance of control. So that leaves Floyd in the position of having to establish the appearance of control of the fight, and that will require coming forward and creating openings to be hit. Cotto while on the small side reach wise, is the last person to have real skills to be in the ring with Floyd and be close in size parity. Floyd got touched up quite badly in that fight. I like how you mentioned Miguel Cotto touching him up a bit, it was both irrelevant and comical at the same time since you didn't even elaborate as to why you brought him up. It's certainly because you would quickly have to come to the conclusion that Rigondeaux does not possess such an authoritative jab, neither does he step in with one. Your sounding more and more like a nuthugger but to your credit your trying to break it down, although failing miserably. 2nd, this notion that Mayweather would be required to come forward is laughable, as soon as I brought up that I wasn't oblivious to Rigondeaux's jab you never responded to me. I acknowledge it's purpose, never knocked him for it but it simply wouldn't work. You can't paw with the jab against one of the greatest lead punchers ever. It'll be Mayweather giving Rigondeaux very little to counter off of, pecking away and Rigondeaux forced to come out of his shell.

You are not going to potshot Rigo, Donaire tried that, it doesn't work, he won't let you set your feet to throw anything you can land, and when he stands with you, slips your pot shot and throws that vicious bolo to the body. "Donaire tried that, it doesn't work" I don't think anything dumber has been said in this thread.

Yes, Rigo has the speed and skill necesary to do so, but it won´t be easy though.

Rigo and Calderon ate the only two guys in the last 10 years with the speed and boxing ability to outbox Floyd of they were the same size I think p4p, assuming Rigo power moved with him, that would make things interesting

Ok I just checked it. In 2003, Casa was still at 130. He moved up in late 2004 to face Castillo. Ok, thanks for clarifying

2003 I'm pretty sure they wer both at 135,, casamoyer fought corrales and Floyd was defending vs Sosa and ndou.. I'm about 75% sure Ok I just checked it. In 2003, Casa was still at 130. He moved up in late 2004 to face Castillo.

FM's speed/accuracy and Rigo's questionable chin would have Floyd coming out with a close but clear win for FM with 1 or 2 knock downs in his favor and likely being a big factor in him getting the win.

He won't do enough posturing to out point Floyd... That may work vs guys like agebako, I just don't see Floyd getting outpointed by rigo over 12 rounds.. I see the fight being a snoozed with neither guy being aggressive but Floyd will do just enough from the outside pot shoting to take most rounds with rigo winning at least 4 rounds maybe more but Floyd catching him at least once with a quick shot that drops rigo with a flash knockdown, and Floyd would win 115-112 twice and one judge having it 114-113 floyd You are not going to potshot Rigo, Donaire tried that, it doesn't work, he won't let you set your feet to throw anything you can land, and when he stands with you, slips your pot shot and throws that vicious bolo to the body.

Everyone thinks a fighter has a good style against mayweawther... untill he adjust and then everyone calls it a cherry pick.

Which is the whole point. You pointed to Marquez as an example of how Floyd would beast Rigo because Marquez is a "counter-puncher",which is a very simplistic view of Marquez style btw, when in reality Marquez had problems with his severe reach deficit, where he was unable to establish his range. I say it is a simplistic view of Marquez style, because he is really a fighter who uses his jab to draw offense from you where he can capitalize on his accurate punching and fluid combinations to win in the exchange, which is why he has problems with fighters who wont exchange with him like John and Floyd. John and Floyd wouldn't exchange because they had that reach advantage, so they kind of tie together, but he is really not the kind of classic counter puncher that everyone makes him out to be. Rigondeaux on the other hand will throw zero punches in a round if you throw zero punches at him, and not care. You are not going to force him into being the aggressor, ever. He would win those rounds too, because he does enough posturing to give the appearance of control. He won't do enough posturing to out point Floyd... That may work vs guys like agebako, I just don't see Floyd getting outpointed by rigo over 12 rounds.. I see the fight being a snoozed with neither guy being aggressive but Floyd will do just enough from the outside pot shoting to take most rounds with rigo winning at least 4 rounds maybe more but Floyd catching him at least once with a quick shot that drops rigo with a flash knockdown, and Floyd would win 115-112 twice and one judge having it 114-113 floyd

this may be the most boring fight of all time lol. floyd would win easy imo. floyd is too complete of a fighter. his range would give him problems, especially given that this would be a glorified fencing match. and i could also see him bring back the left hook and land it constantly to talented to be boring

I don't think they were at 135 at the same moment. At 130 it would have been a close fight. I could see a MD/SD for Floyd. 2003 I'm pretty sure they wer both at 135,, casamoyer fought corrales and Floyd was defending vs Sosa and ndou.. I'm about 75% sure

So the reach either way really wouldn't be a factor in the fight Which is the whole point. You pointed to Marquez as an example of how Floyd would beast Rigo because Marquez is a "counter-puncher",which is a very simplistic view of Marquez style btw, when in reality Marquez had problems with his severe reach deficit, where he was unable to establish his range. I say it is a simplistic view of Marquez style, because he is really a fighter who uses his jab to draw offense from you where he can capitalize on his accurate punching and fluid combinations to win in the exchange, which is why he has problems with fighters who wont exchange with him like John and Floyd. John and Floyd wouldn't exchange because they had that reach advantage, so they kind of tie together, but he is really not the kind of classic counter puncher that everyone makes him out to be. Rigondeaux on the other hand, on a level playing field size wise with Floyd wouldn't be at a disadvantage in that way, and has no problem throwing zero punches in a round if you throw zero punches at him. You are not going to force him into being the aggressor, ever. He would win those rounds too, because he does enough posturing to give the appearance of control. So that leaves Floyd in the position of having to establish the appearance of control of the fight, and that will require coming forward and creating openings to be hit. Cotto while on the small side reach wise, is the last person to have real skills to be in the ring with Floyd and be close in size parity. Floyd got touched up quite badly in that fight. Also look back to the Judah fight for some stylistic elements that troubled Floyd. one of the biggest obstacles Floyd had with judah for the first 4 rounds (the only relevant rounds as Judah fell apart mentally after 4 rounds in every fight back then) was that short hook that he kept getting tagged with. Rigo loves that shot, and he uses it to turn you and put you out of position. This fight would be a great fight and one that I would favor Rigo to come out on top of.

That is quite possible, I also believe casamoyer would have given Floyd a tough time at 130 or 135, I think Floyd would beat him but it would be a stiff challenge. I always thought Barrera should have beaten jmm had the kd been scored. I don't think they were at 135 at the same moment. At 130 it would have been a close fight. I could see a MD/SD for Floyd.

Making them the same hight would more than likely make them the same in reach, and Rigo has really long arms for his size. I just did the math, scaling Rigo up to Floyd's Height, there would be less than an inch between them in reach. So the reach either way really wouldn't be a factor in the fight