Loma fans keep acting like Salido came in as some hulking beast when it simply isn't true, in fact I don't even think he took this fight seriously.
Came in 2lbs heavier than Loma, yet put on 19lbs over night. 19lbs is A LOT, only a handful of fighters can pull that off and still be healthy.
Furthermore it even showed in the fight. First 2 rounds or so were toss up rounds, both guys started off slow. After that Salido completely took over, landing hard body shots while Loma landed his little pitty pat shots that had no effect.
Fast forward to round 9 or 10, Salido still dominating but clearly tiring, Loma is still doing absolutely nothing. It became very clear when he fell down and was slow to get up, he was also breathing very hard.
Finally Loma starts to come on, not because he did anything, but because Salido was exhausted. I give Loma credit for his durability to the body but that's it.
And for those complaining about the low blows (which we still don't know were low) Loma got away with a ton of pushing off and holding. Take that away from him and where is his defense?
Two different classes of fighters, and Salido looked the worst I've ever seen him.
Having a significant weight advantage can be very serious; hence the reason why weight classes exist. I don't know for certain if Salido did it on purpose or not, but his size was an obvious advantage during the fight. Salido was crashing in with reckless abandoned. I'm willing to bet that had he made the limit and weighed within the normal range on fight night, the fight would've been completely different.
Why are dipshiiiitttttsss acting salido weight was a factor in this fight. Loma couldn't beat an out of shape and shop worn salido. People are saying loma did good against a vet like salido despite the lost but he didn't and loma looked like shiiiiittttt. The weight salido put on that all these butthurt loma fans are crying about didn't help salido it actually worked against salido. The only thing that was bs was the low blows salido was doing,I give these butthurt fans that but the low blows don't excuse loma performance. Not once did loma get hurt by the low blows. Salido was thier for the taking and loma couldn't deliver because he is simply not that good.
Loma is simply over hyped wont amount to crap and only proves being king of amature boxing means dog sssshhhhhhiiiiit
No punch power
Questionable stamina
Questionable chin
Crapy defense
No inside game
Master at holding and pushing
Yeah I don't think he was weight drained, he didn't even bother to lose it
he was probably just out of shape.
I know it's hard to believe, but maybe Salido looked at this fight as nothing more than a tune-up. He trained, but did he give that extra?
Put yourself in his shoes, would any of u really picture yourself being bothered with some fresh faced 1-0 fighter at his stage? It seems like he believed that, at least in the short term, he could run circles around him just being in normal shape. He almost paid for it at the end though, he faded FAST lol. A rematch might be interesting
If anything the weight was a disadvantage to Salido that i can agree with. The guy fought opposite of his usual he came in strong then faded til he was almost gassed out completely.
Whether he was drained or the wars have taxed him, the Salido we saw last night was not the one we are used to. That's why it makes Lomachenko look even worse.
Salido looked slow, sluggish and fatigued and still managed to get it done mostly due to experience. The first thing he mentioned last night was that he is moving to 130 ASAP so hopefully it is mainly the weight that's the problem.
Yuuup Salido looked semi sloppy and it made me scratch my head at Lomachenko. Maybe stage fright? He seems to have more skills than he showed, maybe he just froze up on the big stage once his scene came.
I keep hearing about the weight, I agree it is unprofessional but I feel its an excuse. Salido's age with the long career he has had cutting that weight and rehydrating 19lbs is not going to do him any favours, is it?
Sure he put a fair bit on but he still had to cut a lot of weight even with missing the limit.
Am I the only one who felt Salido looked sh1t last night? Taking nothing away from him but he looked slow and flat to me.
That wasn't the guy who fought Lopez, Gamboa or even Mikey.
Watch his earlier fights, even with Mikey, sure Mikey outboxed him but he looked a lot faster and was putting combinations together. I can't help but feel the weight issues actually may of hurt Salido last night.
Yeah, very surprising considering. Normally in that situation guys just fold.
That has nothing to do with anything. Gaining it back doesn't stop what has come before, which is where the weakening/draining happens.
Using this logic everyone is weight drained.
I'm actually surprised DLH punch resistance held up the way it did against Pac all things considered.
Yeah, very surprising considering. Normally in that situation guys just fold.
Based on what? He gained it back no problem.
That has nothing to do with anything. Gaining it back doesn't stop what has come before, which is where the weakening/draining happens.
You don't know what weight drained means. It's ok. Chad Dawson may have been weakened from losing weight, but he was not weight drained.
Weight drained comes from the days of same day weigh ins when guys didn't have time to put weight back on. You guys hear the phrase,and use it every chance you get, when in fact you don't know what the fu you are talking about..
Weight drained has nothing to do with putting weight back on. It's when you don't have time to get the weight back on (same day weigh-ins), or your body is so spent that it is unable to properly rehydrate do to extensive dehydration. (De la hoya vs Pac)
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We're talking about being weight drained today. For a fight today. Who gives a **** where the term from and what it meant 30+ years ago.
It's utterly irrelevant when talking about todays fighters and todays standard of what being weight drained is. Salido might not have been a bad case, as it could have been as much from a lack of training as it was trying to lose too much weight, but weight drained is typified across the board by guys that put on huge amounts of weight. They exhaust their bodies getting down, then they aren't rested because their bodies are working so hard rehydrating to the point that is just unhealthy.
That is todays standard, and all that matters.
That isn't a classic case at all. That is a near one off case. It is incredibly rare, in fact I can't remember another case off the top of my head, that a fighter loses more weight overnight.
95% of drained fighters stack on a ****load of pounds, but they often don't get to the severity of what Oscar did. Oscar was a particularly bad case, one of the worst ever seen, but normally a drained fighters body will soak up everything and put on huge amounts of weight overnight.
It further exhausts an already overtaxed body because it means their body isn't resting at all but trying to deal with all the extra weight gain. That is the standard of a weight drained fighter.
I'm actually surprised DLH punch resistance held up the way it did against Pac all things considered.
Jesus christ, are you people really that uninformed about boxing?
I know terms like weight drained, bum, exposed are common terms people use, but most of you do not use them properly.
Classic case of weight drained is De La Hoya vs Pac
That isn't a classic case at all. That is a near one off case. It is incredibly rare, in fact I can't remember another case off the top of my head, that a fighter loses more weight overnight.
95% of drained fighters stack on a ****load of pounds, but they often don't get to the severity of what Oscar did. Oscar was a particularly bad case, one of the worst ever seen, but normally a drained fighters body will soak up everything and put on huge amounts of weight overnight.
It further exhausts an already overtaxed body because it means their body isn't resting at all but trying to deal with all the extra weight gain. That is the standard of a weight drained fighter.
People who are weight drained don't gain a lot of weight back, hence the term weight drained. Maybe if Salido would have abided by the rules, he would have been weight drained and clearly would have lost.
You are an idiot, uninformed, and obviously have no right to even make a thread regarding weights, weight classes, or weight draining.
Actually, that's exactly what happens the majority of the time. Guys who are weight drained, their bodies are absolutely desperate for water and sustenance, and their bodies just lap it up to a point that is unhealthy, which is why so often guys that are drained stack on the pounds like nothing overnight.
That is one of the clearest indicators of weight struggles.
Chad Dawson was completely weight drained. I can't believe people still argue about this.
Dawson was never that good. Ward will kick his ass 10/10 times.
lol you guys are supporting the unprofessional salido eh? that's 147 against 136, loma's punch are not affecting salido, and salido is trying to take advantage with his weight and bull rushing loma
Did Uncle Jeb bang you so hard that he rattled your brain?
Dawson was weight drained.
Which was his own fault of course.
Nah, Ward's just too good.
Ward's so good, that he doesn't even fight with his power on, just for fairness. He turned his power on for that fight, just because.
I mean, he wasn't even landing solid punches and Dawson was falling over. That's power.
Definitely nothing to do with Dawson being drained at a weight he hadn't been at in about 7 years. Most definitely not.
You don't know what weight drained means. It's ok. Chad Dawson may have been weakened from losing weight, but he was not weight drained.
Weight drained comes from the days of same day weigh ins when guys didn't have time to put weight back on. You guys hear the phrase,and use it every chance you get, when in fact you don't know what the fuck you are talking about..
Weight drained has nothing to do with putting weight back on. It's when you don't have time to get the weight back on (same day weigh-ins), or your body is so spent that it is unable to properly rehydrate do to extensive dehydration. (De la hoya vs Pac)
Chad Dawson was completely weight drained. I can't believe people still argue about this.
Salido is not and never has been very good,just goes to show how Lomo was being over hyped
Lomachenko was being overhyped, but take a better look at who Salido has beaten and who the few fighters to beat him in recent memory are. He's a pretty good fighter.