Did we miss out on the best of Manny at 140 and 135lbs?

Marquez would've been there to daddy him I'm sure?

dude, the topic could be PAC giving some random homeless guy a house and Dunn would find something wrong with it this is a case of judging the messnger and not the message, soto/guzman was supposed to set up a fight against pacquiao, when soto got schooled by guzman arum and his team wanted no parts of that, and to be honest it derailed guzmans career big time, (along with his own stupidity) basically big dunn is right, the other fights at 140/135 at the time werent exactly lucrative and other than guzman, pac beats all of them anyway, hes not exactly wrong

No. I'm simply saying the best version of Manny, period. A comfortable Manny. one that doesn't have to ingest as much food to keep the weight on would've been even more deadly, imo. And who knows, maybe he takes out some more fighters in early fashion like Hatton, and he doesn't take additional damage in his fights at 140. Thus, saving his body more at that weight. Very fair points that I didn't consider when initially answering.

Hence, why I replied to saying, "you're saying it so matter-of-factly" as if you know for a fact that we didn't miss out on the best version of Manny. All I'm saying. No need for arguing. I'm not calling you biased. I personally think we did miss out on the best version of Manny, and you obviously don't. Differing opinions is all. No hard feelings, brother. None taken my man. I just want to be clear that despite the fact I am not manny's biggest fan and also a huge floyd fan that hin this thread I wasn't being critical of manny in any way.

But you're saying it so matter-of-factly, when you yourself surely saw the Hatton fight. You didn't see the potential in Manny at 140? I don't see many fighters doing that to a 140 lb. Ricky Hatton. The evidence is clearly there to show Manny's potency at that weight. I don't really see how there's a case to be made that if Manny stayed at those weights, he wouldn't have been just as successful, and probably more so. I said we didn't miss out on seeing the best Manny. when did I post or imply he wouldn't have been successful at either weight? In no way shape or form am I saying that him staying at 135/140 would be detrimental to how he is as a fighter. The only potential pitfall is a bad performance, which is possible, may have negated him getting the ODH fight. Is that really that controversial or biased? If you are saying we missed out on the best because he would've had more KO victories-I don't see it like that. If we saw the best manny vs Hatton, then we saw the best Manny and wouldn't have missed out on anything.

No one would've ****ed with PAC at those weights. Except of coarse the great Juan "Dinamita" Marquez!

In my opinion we did, 140 more so than 135.

I'm not saying you hate Manny, but you're coming on awfully strong with a slanted view, leaning towards being a biased critic. I'm not manny's biggest fan thats true. But I said we wouldn't have missed out on seeing the best manny. How is that being biased?

I have to beg to disagree with you bro, PAC has fought his way to P4P recognition and imho he was no heir to anyone even to floyd, it was Oscar's miscalculation the pushed PAC to stratospheric stardom, the golden boy effect, which floyd was also a benificiary... would anyone here choose to watch pac vs zahir, guzman, corley or the one he actually fought after oscar, hatton, cotto, marquez etc.... ya i got disagree as well part pacs draw was him beating up bigger guys even if they were tailored made for him it was still very entertaining

guzman was never relevant at 135. he got destroyed by funeka then in the rematch came in 9 pounds overweight and that was essentially the end of him. he would've probably beat him anyway. the point is we didn't lose out on seeing the best Manny at 135/140, which was the TS question.

I live in the ghetto, thanks, I didn't know. had he stayed there he surely would've had to fight guzman as he was considered the best at 135. Raheem, again, had just beaten Manny foe Morales. I also agree with some of the other names you mentioned. The point was, as I think you now see after reading all my posts-Going to 147 rather than staying at 135/140 IMO did not cost us seeing the best manny. why? Because As I also posted-he would likely beat these guys but possibly not in spectacular fashion. Your response to my post was ridiculous and wrong. Hopefully, you will be adult enough to admit it! guzman was never relevant at 135. he got destroyed by funeka then in the rematch came in 9 pounds overweight and that was essentially the end of him.

lol another cunt...so what if he's 6'1"? pac is a much better fighter than him. besides the point i was really trying to make is...how can you get the chance to fight pac if you got ktfo by funeka a few days after pac-diaz like raheem? or can't make the weight like guzman? and corley...never mind. those 3 guys were not pac's competition had he stayed at 135 so there's no point mentioning their names. pac's name would've been attached to guys like juan diaz, campbell and casamayor. They are vastly different fights~ Manny is better but that doesn't mean he wins automatically and fights where Manny had to make stuff happen against a guy actively trying to stop it he had issues. Being bigger like Funeka creates openings and causes problems that can't be easily replicated by a guy smaller or of similar size. Also Guzman didn't fight Funeka until 2009 Manyy fought Diaz in 2008 so what does him losing to Funeka years after Manny left have to do with him no being worthy of a shot~ Casamayor, and Campbell were losing plenty of fights and it is not like David Diaz who he fought was on any sort of great run

your ghetto ass dweller should realize that those 3 fighters you mentioned would not be even on pac's radar based on their performances at 135 should pac stayed at lightweight...so what's the point mentioning their names? I live in the ghetto, thanks, I didn't know. had he stayed there he surely would've had to fight guzman as he was considered the best at 135. Raheem, again, had just beaten Manny foe Morales. I also agree with some of the other names you mentioned. The point was, as I think you now see after reading all my posts-Going to 147 rather than staying at 135/140 IMO did not cost us seeing the best manny. why? Because As I also posted-he would likely beat these guys but possibly not in spectacular fashion. Your response to my post was ridiculous and wrong. Hopefully, you will be adult enough to admit it!

dude, the topic could be PAC giving some random homeless guy a house and Dunn would find something wrong with it such a pac hater that moron is:lol1:

TS question-Did we miss out on the best of Manny at 140 and 135lbs? Big DUnn's answer-NO, then I explained why Manny would be the exact same fighter. How in the **** is this undermining Pac's career? The problem is 3rd world *******s like you who can barely read or comprehend English. your ghetto ass dweller should realize that those 3 fighters you mentioned would not be even on pac's radar based on their performances at 135 should pac stayed at lightweight...so what's the point mentioning their names?

lol another cunt...so what if he's 6'1"? pac is a much better fighter than him. besides the point i was really trying to make is...how can you get the chance to fight pac if you got ktfo by funeka a few days after pac-diaz like raheem? or can't make the weight like guzman? and corley...never mind. those 3 guys were not pac's competition had he stayed at 135 so there's no point mentioning their names. pac's name would've been attached to guys like juan diaz, campbell and casamayor. Raheem beat Morales right after erik beat Manny-he absolutely would've been connected to Manny had they not gone through with the pre signed fight. FYI, did you go back and read what I wrote. Do you have a better understanding that I in no way was criticizing manny by saying he'd still be the same fighter.

Yea because Funeka at 6'1" is so similar to Manny lol another cunt...so what if he's 6'1"? pac is a much better fighter than him. besides the point i was really trying to make is...how can you get the chance to fight pac if you got ktfo by funeka a few days after pac-diaz like raheem? or can't make the weight like guzman? and corley...never mind. those 3 guys were not pac's competition had he stayed at 135 so there's no point mentioning their names. pac's name would've been attached to guys like juan diaz, campbell and casamayor.

dude, the topic could be PAC giving some random homeless guy a house and Dunn would find something wrong with it Mak, read what I wrote. Its clear brick didn't. I can't see how anyone would have a problem with what I wrote.

i honestly think that if we forced Dunn to give PAC a heartfelt compliment, he would get a nose bleed and faint of course my first post in this thread clearly said Manny would be the same fighter had he fought at 140/135. JOMS nor the TS took it as a diss. Only brick wall. Did you even read what I wrote? Probably not.

lol look at this sad little floyd cunt always undermining pac as a fighter:*******: zahir raheem who was knocked the fock out by funeka when pac was a lightweight:lol1: joan guzman who was focked up by funeka as well and was lucky to get a draw and a robbery win after failing to make weight and had to move up:lol1: and demarcus focking corley who had like 5 consecutive losses when pac move up to lightweight:lol1: TS question-Did we miss out on the best of Manny at 140 and 135lbs? Big DUnn's answer-NO, then I explained why Manny would be the exact same fighter. How in the **** is this undermining Pac's career? The problem is 3rd world *******s like you who can barely read or comprehend English.