If cotto beat margarito in there first fight, and got the mega fight with oscar they was setting up was suppose to go down after the margarito fight..
Would cotto have beaten like pacman since he was gonna be weight drain no matter who he fought? Who would oscar come in weighing 150/152 anyway since the contract wouldn't have been has strict has the oscar vs pacman dream fight.. When you think about it there wouldn't be. Pacquiao has big has he is right now cause oscar wanted to fight cotto he pick manny cause cotto lost mayweather retired and he was beefing with roach and arum so he pick pacquaio has last option but if cotto won that fight I believe he would of beat oscar and oscar would of retired and pacman wouldn't be has big has he was.:.
But plaster hands changed all that to what we see now.. Margarito cheating in the cotto fight is the source of why manny is where he is now without manny fighting with oscar he wouldn't be this big ..even tho is not proven with the margarito thing but to me is like the oj trail we know he did it..
Your thoughts on my thoughts
Do you see what I see??
margarito 2 wasn't worth diddly squat. margarito was finished, they had to bribe the officials just to get him licensed, and the last 3 rounds weren't even fought because they didn't want a replay of the first fight.
That's my point his biggest wins ain't that big
And the first maragito fight prevented him from getting the biggest win ever against oscar..
he still haven't got that big big victory..
Who would you say was his best victory?
Cotto hast won that big big fight yet he won semi big fights against Shane and margarito 2 being his define wins.. The big fights with Floyd and manny if he won it would of placed him in the same spot he would of been in if he got the oscar fight and won.. Now he gets another crack at the pound for pound list if he beats serigo ..
margarito 2 wasn't worth diddly squat. margarito was finished, they had to bribe the officials just to get him licensed, and the last 3 rounds weren't even fought because they didn't want a replay of the first fight.
Cotto hast won that big big fight yet he won semi big fights against Shane and margarito 2 being his define wins.. The big fights with Floyd and manny if he won it would of placed him in the same spot he would of been in if he got the oscar fight and won.. Now he gets another crack at the pound for pound list if he beats serigo ..
He gets the run Manny got if he wins those fights hell and maybe Fighter of the Decade.
I don't know about fighter of the decade.
I do think Cotto would have beaten Oscar at that stage and definitely Hatton also.
It would have been really really good for Cotto's brand. That's for damn sure. Oscar made it possible for Manny and Floyd to command those eight figure pay checks. Fighting Oscar De La Hoya for a star like Cotto would have revolutionary monetary rocket fuel.
LOL @ bold. It was a different fight you blind fool.
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And the usual suspects deny the obvious. :lol1:
And the usual suspects cry foul without much knowledge of the situation especially when their own hero admits margs hit him just as hard
I bring it up but it wast the core of the topic .. And team cotto ain't mentioned it cause he's not like that he accept his defeat and didn't want to make excuses but the margarito vs cotto 2 was the same fight has the first one without the power punching and if you think he didn't use it that's coo at the end my point is no matter what I think and you think this fight has 50% thinking he got cheated and 50% thinking he lost fair and squard is not 100% people think he lost fair..
And I don't understand y people defend margarito for he's a scumbag and his biggest win is cotto and is questionable even tho you believe he lost fair and squard.. And if you get caught cheating once every victory is questionable..
Proof or not the thought is there in many peoples mines..
LOL @ bold. It was a different fight you blind fool.
Styles make fights. Both guys have jabs and left hooks
And fight orthodox but are left handed.
Cotto was going away from his body attack and starting to box more
And imo oscars reach and height
And skill set overall with experience win a close fight
Between two fighters who fade at the end of fights.
Oscars jab is longer. I see him grinding out a close Ud
Its not?
You're the one who brought it up. Cotto got beat fair and square. He took more shots and more uppercuts in that one fight, than he did in any other before that. Thats why he lost. Because he kept his head over his front foot allowing Tony to tee off with uppercuts. Cotto had no complaints about any handwraps until some dweeb on the internet started a snowstorm about "cracked handwraps". It was black string on his wraps, not a crack. Lets say it was a crack in the handwraps though, how come nobody, not even Cotto or his team, mentioned how hard his handwraps were after shaking hands?
Because it was a piece of string.
Margarito beat down Cotto fair and square.
I bring it up but it wast the core of the topic .. And team cotto ain't mentioned it cause he's not like that he accept his defeat and didn't want to make excuses but the margarito vs cotto 2 was the same fight has the first one without the power punching and if you think he didn't use it that's coo at the end my point is no matter what I think and you think this fight has 50% thinking he got cheated and 50% thinking he lost fair and squard is not 100% people think he lost fair..
And I don't understand y people defend margarito for he's a scumbag and his biggest win is cotto and is questionable even tho you believe he lost fair and squard.. And if you get caught cheating once every victory is questionable..
Proof or not the thought is there in many peoples mines..
De La Hoya, apart from being a zombie at 140, could not handle Pacquiao's speed. He wouldn't have had the weight issue or the speed issue against Cotto.
If I remember right, De La Hoya was supposed to fight Margarito but opted to cherry pick Pacquiao instead. He hadn't fought at Light Welter for a bout 10 years ffs :lol1:
140? light welter wtf are you talking about?
What people tend to forget is that Cotto looked really good in that Margarita fight but the punches from the wraps started taking a big toll on him and broke him down. Had Cotto won that fight I think he beats Oscar down for the TKO win.
The topic not about cotto losing fair is about him losing period weather is fair or cheat my point is him losing is what got pacman the fight with oscar .. But if he won he would of fought oscar .. do you think he would of beat oscar? And do you think manny would be has big if cotto retired oscar if they did fight n if cotto won? Do you think if oscar beat cotto he would of fought manny later??
But plaster hands changed all that to what we see now.. Margarito cheating in the cotto fight
Its not?
You're the one who brought it up. Cotto got beat fair and square. He took more shots and more uppercuts in that one fight, than he did in any other before that. Thats why he lost. Because he kept his head over his front foot allowing Tony to tee off with uppercuts. Cotto had no complaints about any handwraps until some dweeb on the internet started a snowstorm about "cracked handwraps". It was black string on his wraps, not a crack. Lets say it was a crack in the handwraps though, how come nobody, not even Cotto or his team, mentioned how hard his handwraps were after shaking hands?
Because it was a piece of string.
Margarito beat down Cotto fair and square.
Cotto ain't no zab not in a million years you can compare him to a fading Shane mosely but by no means is he the gate keeper yet the 4 lost he got
Lost 1 is questionable most think he got cheated others say no proof he lost fair and square at the end is questionable
Lost 2. Got beaten by pacquaio weight drain but also he had a horrible trainer
Even with this when he got drop twice he got back up and won the rest of the rounds he gave a hell of a fight for 6 rounds and for a fighter to get drop by manny and get up and win the round means a lot when most eht dropped and don't get back up or get dropped and run the rest of the fight..
Lost 3. To Floyd the best that everyone losing to but guess what he won 4 rounds in a row in the later rounds to when is the may wester period made him bleed and did better then anyone ever has to the point mayweather gives him super props saying that boy tought he gonna make me go into early retirement.
I knew he would lost this fight when it was announce
Lost 4. To trout now this is the disappointing one but trout was to big and slick for him but even so that's the a good enough reason to excuse this performance so this is the lost that's sucks for him
So out of 3 losts .. 2 to the best in the game and 1 questionable and the 4th being the only disappointing lost..
Zab lost to Paulie that say it all!!! Cotto ain't no zab at less not yet
They're still not wins. :lol1:
I think they're both the same even outside the ring. One doesn't pay his child support and the other beats on elderly men.
cotto is the new zab judah and this thread proves it
Cotto ain't no zab not in a million years you can compare him to a fading Shane mosely but by no means is he the gate keeper yet the 4 lost he got
Lost 1 is questionable most think he got cheated others say no proof he lost fair and square at the end is questionable
Lost 2. Got beaten by pacquaio weight drain but also he had a horrible trainer
Even with this when he got drop twice he got back up and won the rest of the rounds he gave a hell of a fight for 6 rounds and for a fighter to get drop by manny and get up and win the round means a lot when most eht dropped and don't get back up or get dropped and run the rest of the fight..
Lost 3. To Floyd the best that everyone losing to but guess what he won 4 rounds in a row in the later rounds to when is the may wester period made him bleed and did better then anyone ever has to the point mayweather gives him super props saying that boy tought he gonna make me go into early retirement.
I knew he would lost this fight when it was announce
Lost 4. To trout now this is the disappointing one but trout was to big and slick for him but even so that's the a good enough reason to excuse this performance so this is the lost that's sucks for him
So out of 3 losts .. 2 to the best in the game and 1 questionable and the 4th being the only disappointing lost..
Zab lost to Paulie that say it all!!! Cotto ain't no zab at less not yet
He said he ain't wanna fight Puerto Ricans cause his wife said she don't want it trust me the money was there he wanted cotto I'm dig for interview where you can see plus he also said he got the winner of cotto vs margarito when margarito won he said if oscar keeps his promise and fights me since im the winner but he didn't so that means he wanted cotto to win.. And I believe he fought pacman out of ****e of roach saying he can't pull the trigger and pacman being roach fighter.. But your right about he did say he wast fighting Puerto Ricans and all that but he was gonna fight him the money was there and plus there wast this top prank and golden girl beef at the time..
I'm not saying my thoughts are set in stone and that's what would of 100% happen but I believe like 70%
For the sake of discussion, if they had fought in 08 at welter, cotto would have stopped him mid to late rounds,, oscar was just too drained at 147 to be effective,,
Oscar would have had a much better shot of beating cotto at 154,, Oscar was still a pretty effective boxer at 154, he was alot more competitive vs floyd than most...
154 would have been a war between cotto and oscar,, I think cotto could win a close competitive decision much like how he did vs shane
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