Dana White saying Mayweather would....

Some boxers would be less effective - some more, some would see no change - all of these assertions you make with absolution is nothing more but you following your own narrative. I've seen kickboxers try MMA and lose their punch, most likely for the reasons that I've stated and on the same note, some MMA fighters have tried kickboxing and seem to have gained punching power from it. But go ahead with your theories of absolution.. I won't comment anymore on Lee. Far too many endless speculative arguments on that subject for me to get into. What you say is redundant. We are all just collections of our own experience, realizations, and choices. Doesn't everyone work off of their own narrative? Why do you expect any different from me? I am sure of what I say. You call that absolution? That is no more an absolute than you being sure of what you say. One thing I notice is you speak of what you've observed in other people and I speak of what I've observed through other people and my own personal experience. In other words.. my foundation seems more sound to make logical leaps from... whereas yours may not be as significant. perhaps I am wrong?

People training in the martial arts has been depicted a certain way. Bruce Lee changed the way this training was depicted. In fact people who depended on these skills to survive have always been willing to train in different styles and take what is useful. back in the day when we used to call these people "Gypsies". These were the guys who had the balls to come in and ask to fight. They would usually have some skills, but would leave with a lot more! Special Forces guys routinely would train an art for specific skill sets... Weapon retention skills, grappling, etc. My point is that what MMA fighters do is train in areas to develop specific skills and while the populat martial arts narrative was more "Kung Fu" the movie series, i.e. learn a discipline from soup to nuts....Bruce Lee's eclectascism was also used in the martial arts community. MMA fighters tend to be smart enough through experience to know whom to seek out (they make great students generally). your absolutely right about Lee....keep in mind though that Lee was a teacher, not a fighter. Great post.

Ive done both. I find technique and accuracy of placing the punch on the before mentioned pointer and middle knuckles suffers with bulky gloves. I also find that punch effectiveness overall is increased when im basically bare handed. As to the broken hand question, people break their hands in combat sports, same goes for boxing. A majority of the time they break their hand when they punch too high on the head or they punch with a deficit in technique. All things considered, arguing that a boxer would be LESS effective without gloves is quite frankly, a little ludicrous. I dont think there is significant evidence to discount Lee. He certainly looked the part. Passed the eye test as far as form technique and explosiveness goes. Some unknown factors of course, but people saying he would be out of his element in various disciplines are forgetting how quick a study he was. The true definition of a martial prodigy. As to being merely good in several things , its an option. To be truly transcendent you have to master something though. The mind can only manage so much information at once, the most efficient way to become next level as far as skill is concerned is to master something, then branch. Not to try to master 5 things at once. This is a simple concept that seems to elude many. Mostly because they misunderstand how their patron saint Bruce built himself as a martial artist. My original response was to the assertion that mma guys are in better shape than boxers.. which I feel is erroneous and a sweeping generalization. Some boxers would be less effective - some more, some would see no change - all of these assertions you make with absolution is nothing more but you following your own narrative. I've seen kickboxers try MMA and lose their punch, most likely for the reasons that I've stated and on the same note, some MMA fighters have tried kickboxing and seem to have gained punching power from it. But go ahead with your theories of absolution.. I won't comment anymore on Lee. Far too many endless speculative arguments on that subject for me to get into.

Remember when Kermit Cintron challenged Sean Sherk to a fight, and they didn't even respond? Dana's such an ass clown. its not fair doe? the boxer needs to be retired and out of shape

Obviously two different sports, if you have no ground game you will lose in MMA. But on the same note tell me one UFC fighter who would do well in the ring against a c level pro boxer. The best pure boxer I can think of is KJ Noons. He got man handled by a top 200 boxer. Not even journeymen level. Below journeymen level. "The best UFC fighter would get murdered in boxing. Pro boxers only shift to MMA when they are too old or when they fail to make a name for themselves in boxing. That should give you a hint of where the best athletes are.***65279;" I tend to agree with this, and I have nothing but respect for MMA. I have respect for all combat sports, but to me, the test of who has the better hands is the ultimate test of body control to me.

Remember when Kermit Cintron challenged Sean Sherk to a fight, and they didn't even respond? Dana's such an ass clown.

How can you write off Bruce Lee as not being able to compete in mma?? The guy combined wing chun, boxing and karate to create his own martial art of Jeet Kun Do so his striking would be legit, then he trained with Uncle Gene Lebell in Judo and was apparently a natural at it according to Lebell.. So if he were to compete today where he would be constantly sparring and improving areas of his game he wouldn't be able to compete!? That's a ridiculous thing to say that a naturally talented athlete and fighter like Bruce Lee couldn't compete when guys like Forrest Griffin and Clay Guida have found success in the UFC with little to no natural talent!!

You are completely going about your own narrative. MMA fighters suffer broken hands all the time, even heavy punchers, former K-1 kickboxers break their hands in MMA. Less padding = more hand breaks. It's a simple concept and no, they don't "win" from the opponent having a broken face - usually they lose. Yeah, I've laced up the gloves and from experience generate more power from boxing gloves than from wearing no gloves. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in modern MMA. Hate to say it as he's more of a legend than any UFC fighter ever will be but he'd get mauled. As far as being a specialist in one area, or being a jack of all trades - have you ever thought of some middle ground? How about what many fighters do and that is being really good at 2 disciplines instead of just 1 or being a general practitioner of many? Whatever works for you is the best method - there is no predetermined correct way of doing things. Diaz went 178/350 in "significant strikes" and 257/436 in "total strikes" - whatever that means in 3 rounds against Penn. His brother went 258/314 apparently as well. Ive done both. I find technique and accuracy of placing the punch on the before mentioned pointer and middle knuckles suffers with bulky gloves. I also find that punch effectiveness overall is increased when im basically bare handed. As to the broken hand question, people break their hands in combat sports, same goes for boxing. A majority of the time they break their hand when they punch too high on the head or they punch with a deficit in technique. All things considered, arguing that a boxer would be LESS effective without gloves is quite frankly, a little ludicrous. I dont think there is significant evidence to discount Lee. He certainly looked the part. Passed the eye test as far as form technique and explosiveness goes. Some unknown factors of course, but people saying he would be out of his element in various disciplines are forgetting how quick a study he was. The true definition of a martial prodigy. As to being merely good in several things , its an option. To be truly transcendent you have to master something though. The mind can only manage so much information at once, the most efficient way to become next level as far as skill is concerned is to master something, then branch. Not to try to master 5 things at once. This is a simple concept that seems to elude many. Mostly because they misunderstand how their patron saint Bruce built himself as a martial artist. My original response was to the assertion that mma guys are in better shape than boxers.. which I feel is erroneous and a sweeping generalization. Because I love Ju Jutsu, it just so happens that my appreciation is for the classic battlefield stuff, but good Ju Jutsu/ Jitsu is good Ju jutsu! the biggest single difference is that in a sports setting one tries to get position and then use technique.....but you don't want to hear all this BS I digress. I did it as a favor when I was training a very well known guy who was part of a school that was heavy into MMA. There is some confusion about fat guys who wear tight "Tap out" shirts, and other assorted fan base cast offs of MMA and the athletes who train for these events. Let me explain something here that might suprise you. New England often laments that a lot of boxers are training in Football and he is correct. The university system is in effect a farm system for pro football. Amateur MMA on the other hand has a gigantic following. Events like those staged in the Bay Area present quite a contrast: In the stands are a mix of gang bangers, lots of Samoan/Tongese, and serious martial artists, meanwhile the athletes are fabulous. These guys are in extremely good physical condition, they are well trained, including using classical martial artists like yours truly, and there is a lot of interest and money in these shows. That means that MMA has the financial, amateur and logistical support. By the time a guy makes it to Dana's event they are very well trained. If you think landing a punch on a guy who is trained for MMA is easy for anyone, you are mistaken. Look, I am just being honest and sharing experience....I love boxing and get bored watching MMA. And as a martial artist there is truth to the contntion that the actual skills are lacking, but as athletes? these guys are in great shape and the only way to punch succesfully is to appreciate certain aspects of the MMA paradigm....for example, whya jab gets you in trouble, etc. Boxers are fabulous...but no way no how do they walk in and KO MMA athletes in an MMA event....yes in a boxing ring, by all means, but not in the octogon. I can respect your expertise as a Jiu Jitsu guy. As a tma'er, you realize what I say about managing focus to become next level is true. As for me I have been in the dojo, kwoon, and in the squared circle and taught in the kwoon, so I know a bit about this kind of thing as well. I never said it was easy to catch a top mma guy.. but thats why I tabbed boxing's elite to be able to do so. Nothing they do is easy either. If they are at the top of their craft.. there's no reason that it wont translate with a few adjustments. one final thing... I have discerned that its easier for a boxer to go into "martial arts" than for a martial artist to pick up boxing. A martial artist phasing into boxing has to have a very strong base because much of their art relies upon the open hand. Whereas the punching power and technique that boxing teaches can translate to any art with the right adjustment. easier to add something than to lose a vital part of your fighting system...

White is just trying to get some attention by using Mayweather's name He was asked a question......

You are completely going about your own narrative. MMA fighters suffer broken hands all the time, even heavy punchers, former K-1 kickboxers break their hands in MMA. Less padding = more hand breaks. It's a simple concept and no, they don't "win" from the opponent having a broken face - usually they lose. Yeah, I've laced up the gloves and from experience generate more power from boxing gloves than from wearing no gloves. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in modern MMA. Hate to say it as he's more of a legend than any UFC fighter ever will be but he'd get mauled. As far as being a specialist in one area, or being a jack of all trades - have you ever thought of some middle ground? How about what many fighters do and that is being really good at 2 disciplines instead of just 1 or being a general practitioner of many? Whatever works for you is the best method - there is no predetermined correct way of doing things. Diaz went 178/350 in "significant strikes" and 257/436 in "total strikes" - whatever that means in 3 rounds against Penn. His brother went 258/314 apparently as well. People training in the martial arts has been depicted a certain way. Bruce Lee changed the way this training was depicted. In fact people who depended on these skills to survive have always been willing to train in different styles and take what is useful. back in the day when we used to call these people "Gypsies". These were the guys who had the balls to come in and ask to fight. They would usually have some skills, but would leave with a lot more! Special Forces guys routinely would train an art for specific skill sets... Weapon retention skills, grappling, etc. My point is that what MMA fighters do is train in areas to develop specific skills and while the populat martial arts narrative was more "Kung Fu" the movie series, i.e. learn a discipline from soup to nuts....Bruce Lee's eclectascism was also used in the martial arts community. MMA fighters tend to be smart enough through experience to know whom to seek out (they make great students generally). your absolutely right about Lee....keep in mind though that Lee was a teacher, not a fighter.

Why in the world do you train fighters in a sport you dont like? Refer me to these examples of mma supremacy. Victories over boxing's castoffs and retirees need not be mentioned. A grappler has to get in in on a world level ko artist...march right through his wheelhouse. That moment can be timed and exploited. Because I love Ju Jutsu, it just so happens that my appreciation is for the classic battlefield stuff, but good Ju Jutsu/ Jitsu is good Ju jutsu! the biggest single difference is that in a sports setting one tries to get position and then use technique.....but you don't want to hear all this BS I digress. I did it as a favor when I was training a very well known guy who was part of a school that was heavy into MMA. There is some confusion about fat guys who wear tight "Tap out" shirts, and other assorted fan base cast offs of MMA and the athletes who train for these events. Let me explain something here that might suprise you. New England often laments that a lot of boxers are training in Football and he is correct. The university system is in effect a farm system for pro football. Amateur MMA on the other hand has a gigantic following. Events like those staged in the Bay Area present quite a contrast: In the stands are a mix of gang bangers, lots of Samoan/Tongese, and serious martial artists, meanwhile the athletes are fabulous. These guys are in extremely good physical condition, they are well trained, including using classical martial artists like yours truly, and there is a lot of interest and money in these shows. That means that MMA has the financial, amateur and logistical support. By the time a guy makes it to Dana's event they are very well trained. If you think landing a punch on a guy who is trained for MMA is easy for anyone, you are mistaken. Look, I am just being honest and sharing experience....I love boxing and get bored watching MMA. And as a martial artist there is truth to the contntion that the actual skills are lacking, but as athletes? these guys are in great shape and the only way to punch succesfully is to appreciate certain aspects of the MMA paradigm....for example, whya jab gets you in trouble, etc. Boxers are fabulous...but no way no how do they walk in and KO MMA athletes in an MMA event....yes in a boxing ring, by all means, but not in the octogon.

there's no way anyone in the ufc would be able to beat fraudy at any athletic events besides weight lifting ....elite boxer's run 10 miles and fight 12 rounds ...elite UFC fighter(champions) fight 5 rounds and if they do happen to see the 4th,5th round there all out of gas huffing and puffing throwing wild sloppy punches or just resting there head on there opponents chest while ground grappling ??? You realize what an azz you sound like? remember....this post stays in cyberspace, just be aware.

IF Floyd would has started in mma he would have been one of the best ever... I agree but I think Pacquiao would have done better. His explosiveness and style is why I say that.

Not true, someone like Stephen Neal would have dominated in MMA ( He played Guard won 3 rings with the Patriots). It also helped that he was a 2 time NCAA wrestling champ, Pan AM Champ and Worlds champion. With cross-training maybe. At the time he would have transitioned he'd have been the UFC champion. But I think Nogueira, Cro Cop and Fedor may have won still.

White is just trying to get some attention by using Mayweather's name

IF Floyd would has started in mma he would have been one of the best ever...

No he didn't. And no he wouldn't. Sparring Julio Diaz - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhcLIwlt9MQ whats the point of this vid? diaz is toying him hard and only proves my point about stamina look at cubby round 2 only the 3nd dam round and he can't even throw

This guy's idiot skills are sublime. Bruce would get wrestlefuckeed and pounded out or subbed.

Okay. Gsp had wrestling experience. Did he legitimately compete? I don't know. You act like I'm saying he competed in college. But a few facts escape you. For one, you actually believe GSP is a better wrestler than Jones? One thing is being effective in mma, another thing is being actually a good wrestler on the world level IN wrestling. From what I know Jones was pretty good in the world of wrestling. Again, GSP seems more skilled which is due to him having much more experience. Gsp HIMSELF has said it's not really "wrestling" that makes him effective as it is him applying his karate experience that he gained before he started wrestling. Taking a dude down doesnt mean wrestling and last I checked GSp has never proved to be a beter greco wrestler than Jones. gsp has good timing on his shot but it's not just that. Once he gets ahold of a leg or whatever he does what he needs to get them down. Part wrestling, part BJJ, part karate (according to him its karate he uses but whatever). Gsp IS a good mma wrestler. Very effective but you think he'd outwrestle Jones in a wrestling competition? I would think you're a little smarter than that. Jones has shown to be more dynamic on his feet due to his superior athleticism but thats a diferent story. There's obviously no intelligent debate coming back or any form of reason. Also, the guys who have been excetional in one area and built from that have been the most successful in MMA... Matt Hughes all he really had was a wrestling base. Tito Ortiz back in the day as well. Royce with bjj. Chuck with kick boxing (disproving that guy that trains dudes in a sport he doesnt like? Lol.. Best grapplers dont beat the best strikers its the other way around. You only have to see Demian Maia vs Anderson). Anderson with his boxing/thai boxing, Cain with his wrestling, arlovski his boxing, cro cop as well, wanderlei his thai boxing, noguera bros bjj, BJ Penn (good athlete) with his BJJ, fedor eith Sambo etc etc. The best mma fighters are exceptional at one thing and thats likely what makes them better at others. There's really no middle ground EXCEPT for GSP. But his "boxing" benefits greatly from his takedowns. Dudes are too scared to throw a lot. He's been trained in diff martial arts since a kid and is a good example of an ideal mma fighter. So now you are changing the story - now it's who is the most accomplished wrestler after I educated you on GSP's lack of wrestling before he got into MMA. GSP picked up wrestling extrememly quickly and used it against the champs at the time - that is the epitome of an athlete. That was the basis for the whole argument, and now you want to change the story when you realize your argument has failed. Your 2nd paragraph, if it can be called that, more like incoherent rambling doesn't come to much conclusion other than trying to make yourself sound like you have some sort of a point. You say best grapplers don't beat the best strikers yet you list Cain.... He's a wrestler, who just dominated the best boxer in the UFC at HW. Then you forget to mention Chuck has a wrestling base to go along with his kickboxing - i.e. what I was talking about when I said mixing 2 disciplines.. And it goes on with pretty much everyone you listed. Silva has muay thai and bjj. Sambo isn't one thing, it's practically MMA. Penn has bjj and boxing. Nogueria brothers have bjj and boxing.... etc. In other words, you contradict almost every single point you try to make. Wtf? Truly....

You are completely going about your own narrative. MMA fighters suffer broken hands all the time, even heavy punchers, former K-1 kickboxers break their hands in MMA. Less padding = more hand breaks. It's a simple concept and no, they don't "win" from the opponent having a broken face - usually they lose. Yeah, I've laced up the gloves and from experience generate more power from boxing gloves than from wearing no gloves. Bruce Lee wouldn't stand a chance in modern MMA. Hate to say it as he's more of a legend than any UFC fighter ever will be but he'd get mauled. As far as being a specialist in one area, or being a jack of all trades - have you ever thought of some middle ground? How about what many fighters do and that is being really good at 2 disciplines instead of just 1 or being a general practitioner of many? Whatever works for you is the best method - there is no predetermined correct way of doing things. Diaz went 178/350 in "significant strikes" and 257/436 in "total strikes" - whatever that means in 3 rounds against Penn. His brother went 258/314 apparently as well. This guy's idiot skills are sublime.