All i see if Floyd bashing on here..sure Khan fight is a sh1t fight, but he just fought a unification bout with the Ring champ at 154 lets look at who the others are fighting
Ward-some Rodriguez dude not p4p material
Martinez-might be fighting Cotto next who is 1-2 in his last 3 fights and never fought at middleweight
Juan-not fighting Bradley nor Manny so most likely some random nobody
Manny-just fought Rios who was unranked at 147 and coming off of a loss
Bradley-just fought Juan good fight since he just decapitated Manny
Wlad-fighting some dude i never heard of
Rigo-just beat an unranked dude
Garcia-damn good win over Mattysee
so why all the negativity about Floyd?? all he has been fighting is champions
Canelo-ring champ at 154
Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA champ
Guerrero-#2 at ww interim champ
Ortiz-wbc champ
shane-#1 ww wba champ
who else has fought champions back to back to back???
sure the Khan fight sucks but the rest of them are fighting sh1t fights as well yet ya'll only cry when it involves Floyd??? pretty damn biased
He does cop a lot of undeserved flack as the guys he fights are all top class and would catapult anyone else in the sport to P4P number 1 right quick, but really, people just want to see him lose. It doesn't matter who he fights as long as he might lose.
Exacly, if someone else wouldve beaten Canelo and took his 0, he wouldve been the next big thing, and everyone would say "maybe he can beaty Floyd".
But Floyd beats him and all of a sudden he's an Undefeated, 42 Win - 30 KO Professional Fighter that isnt good enough and is a bum whos too green.
Yeah....right..
All i see if Floyd bashing on here..sure Khan fight is a sh1t fight, but he just fought a unification bout with the Ring champ at 154 lets look at who the others are fighting
Ward-some Rodriguez dude not p4p material
Martinez-might be fighting Cotto next who is 1-2 in his last 3 fights and never fought at middleweight
Juan-not fighting Bradley nor Manny so most likely some random nobody
Manny-just fought Rios who was unranked at 147 and coming off of a loss
Bradley-just fought Juan good fight since he just decapitated Manny
Wlad-fighting some dude i never heard of
Rigo-just beat an unranked dude
Garcia-damn good win over Mattysee
so why all the negativity about Floyd?? all he has been fighting is champions
Canelo-ring champ at 154
Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA champ
Guerrero-#2 at ww interim champ
Ortiz-wbc champ
shane-#1 ww wba champ
who else has fought champions back to back to back???
sure the Khan fight sucks but the rest of them are fighting sh1t fights as well yet ya'll only cry when it involves Floyd??? pretty damn biased
He does cop a lot of undeserved flack as the guys he fights are all top class and would catapult anyone else in the sport to P4P number 1 right quick, but really, people just want to see him lose. It doesn't matter who he fights as long as he might lose.
Floyd can fight vitali and NSB will erupt with "floyd waited till vitali was old and semi-retired to fight him" and give no credit
Be honest with yourself for once. Floyd has avoided risky fights. Floyd had the chance to fight Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams, Manny P. and others when the fight meant something but Floyd didn't.
Again, point out the risky fighters who had a decent chance of winning and you will be scratching your head with that one all day .......
All i see if Floyd bashing on here..sure Khan fight is a sh1t fight, but he just fought a unification bout with the Ring champ at 154 lets look at who the others are fighting
Ward-some Rodriguez dude not p4p material
Martinez-might be fighting Cotto next who is 1-2 in his last 3 fights and never fought at middleweight
Juan-not fighting Bradley nor Manny so most likely some random nobody
Manny-just fought Rios who was unranked at 147 and coming off of a loss
Bradley-just fought Juan good fight since he just decapitated Manny
Wlad-fighting some dude i never heard of
Rigo-just beat an unranked dude
Garcia-damn good win over Mattysee
so why all the negativity about Floyd?? all he has been fighting is champions
Canelo-ring champ at 154
Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA champ
Guerrero-#2 at ww interim champ
Ortiz-wbc champ
shane-#1 ww wba champ
who else has fought champions back to back to back???
sure the Khan fight sucks but the rest of them are fighting sh1t fights as well yet ya'll only cry when it involves Floyd??? pretty damn biased
Canelo: When was the last time you saw 2 fighters with a title at 154 fight at 152?
Floyd and company know how to hype up the matchups. Ortiz quit at 140 and was knocked down twice at his only fight at 147. Guerrero then does the same and Floyd fans never learn the "hype".
They (Floyd, GB, ...) are playing chess while Floyd's fans are playing checkers. They fight #2 ranked average fighter that fought 1 or 2 fights in their respective division and make him out to be some great fight.
Never fails!!!
All i see if Floyd bashing on here..sure Khan fight is a sh1t fight, but he just fought a unification bout with the Ring champ at 154 lets look at who the others are fighting
Ward-some Rodriguez dude not p4p material
Martinez-might be fighting Cotto next who is 1-2 in his last 3 fights and never fought at middleweight
Juan-not fighting Bradley nor Manny so most likely some random nobody
Manny-just fought Rios who was unranked at 147 and coming off of a loss
Bradley-just fought Juan good fight since he just decapitated Manny
Wlad-fighting some dude i never heard of
Rigo-just beat an unranked dude
Garcia-damn good win over Mattysee
so why all the negativity about Floyd?? all he has been fighting is champions
Canelo-ring champ at 154
Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA champ
Guerrero-#2 at ww interim champ
Ortiz-wbc champ
shane-#1 ww wba champ
who else has fought champions back to back to back???
sure the Khan fight sucks but the rest of them are fighting sh1t fights as well yet ya'll only cry when it involves Floyd??? pretty damn biased
why dont u log on to ur versytle account and red k everyone over it? Enjoy your inevitable ban genius
Floyd will never win with the haters. He will always be 'ducking' this fighter or that fighter in their eyes till he retires, fact.
Comes with the territory when you're the top fighter in the world
Funny the thread starter would mention Pac fighting a fighter coming off of a loss, yet it was Pac who was coming off of a loss as well?
But Pac fought p4p JMM and Bradley and JMM in the space of 18months, and Bradley is supposed to be a legacy fight for FLoyd down the line, yet Pac done it nearly 2 years ago.
Floyd is supposed to be held to this imaginery standard yet doesn't fight highly rated champions, just belt holders at best. Floyd had a nice lay off its about time he fought some dangerous dudes expected to do well against him.
He can find those guys if that was his choice they exist out there somewhere.
None of the top guys are fighting top guys besides Bradley. That's it to be honest...I don't blame them a lot a far beyond whats at their class. Floyd, Ward, Rigo, are far better than what's avail to them but they all face their own problems. Bradley is fighting the best avail opponents imo so he's the guy to follow atm.
Mayweather being Mayweather has the special privilege of being able to fight anyone he wants because there's nobody who doesn't wants to fight him. He can carefully pick and choose opposition. He can fight all the high reward fighters without any trouble of getting them in the ring with him. Most of the time those high reward fighters tend to be okay to pretty good.
Most other fighters don't have the options Mayweather has. When the high reward fighters isn't available, most fighters fight the low risk fighters until they're lucky enough to land a high reward fighter, which isn't often. They only fight the high risk fighters when the reward is good, which again doesn't come often because it takes a while for the low reward/high risk fighters to build their name.
What does Maywether do when he runs out of draws to fight? He retires or goes on vacation. He skips the interim fights other fighters take so it looks like he always fights okay opposition. Other fighters face criticism for not fighting the low reward/high risk fighters when they fight the interims. Mayweahter avoids it by going on vacation.
And now that he has the Showtime guarantee, what doe he do instead of vacationing? He behaves exactly the same way anyone else does. When he runs out of draws, he fights the low risk Khans and Guerreros of the world until something better comes along.
To a certain extend, he's not unlike Sturm. Obviously Sturm's opposition hasn't matched Mayweather, but there's a parallel. Sturm's opposition is actually much better than the opposition of those middleweights who like to criticize him. Same goes with Mayweather. His opposition is actually better than of those who criticize him. This is because everyone wants to fight Sturm. His options are unlimited. He'll fight okay opposition. Okay opposition that would never get in the ring with the high risk fighters that criticize Sturm.
He was ranked #3 behind JMM. People were saying Floyd should rematch JMM because he's the second best WW behind him, then JMM was interviewed and said he wanted no part of Floyd because "Everyone saw what happened in the first fight" this was after the Pac KO, his own words in plain English. Guerrero was #3, I believe Pac was #5 and Bradley #4. I could be wrong about 4-5, but I am positive Marquez was #2 and Guerrero #3.
i stand corrected
Not true....only when Floyd started saying he was greater than Ali and Robinson, that's when people held him to a higher standard.
Um, actually, it was Arum who first said it wile Floyd was under Top Rank. Floyd just repeated the comments after leaving TR.
Arum also said the same about Pacquiao, no one had a problem with it.
Robert was in fact ranked #2 at ww
Canelo won the ring title against Trout man
He was ranked #3 behind JMM. People were saying Floyd should rematch JMM because he's the second best WW behind him, then JMM was interviewed and said he wanted no part of Floyd because "Everyone saw what happened in the first fight" this was after the Pac KO, his own words in plain English. Guerrero was #3, I believe Pac was #5 and Bradley #4. I could be wrong about 4-5, but I am positive Marquez was #2 and Guerrero #3.
I do not have to link anything or agree with any one who said it already, but yes, Canelo was The Ring champ when Floyd beat him. This didn't happen like 20 years ago, so I am surprised people are already trying to change the facts so quickly.
Manny did not even wanna negotiate..he said" i want 50/50" even after he told his fans " i will take less for the fight to happen" he just said "i want 50/50" and gave the phone to Konz
I meant it more in terms of given credit for accepting the fights. They're okay wins, but I'm not going to praise him for taking up those fights. He's not doing anything exceptional and brave that anyone else wouldn't do.
The same way people like to praise Cotto for fighting everyone. They say things like "I wish everyone was like Cotto. He fought the best and ducked nobody. Boxing would better if everyone would be like Cotto." No, he fought the biggest draws around him for huge pay checks. Anyone in Cotto's shoes would do the same.
And the hell If I'm going to praise Mayweather for fighting Guerrero. When Mayweather runs out of draws, he fights the Khans and Guerreros of the world instead of the fighting the real dangerous opposition around his weight class.
Guerrero the #2 WW? GTFO with that crap!
Canelo was a hype job everybody knows that. Biggest a roberry against Trout.
Anyways, Floyd's stupid ass is to blame for this, he always finds a way to duck the tough fights, and then ends up fighting meh fights, that people know he is going to win. I mean the prime Cotto ducking was ridiculous and the Pac ducking is on that level!
I reckon Floyd is the best, but he sure like to make silly excuses to not take on the real tests!
Floyd is the one that says belts don't mean anything but he uses them to make him look like he is facing top comp. Ortiz is and was overrated imo, he quit against Maidana and thought he was a tree against Floyd, now he is no longer considered even a contender at this point.
The point is Floyd picks guys that have either a belt or momentum going for them but they have to be either mentally weak (Ortiz, Mosley) or too slow to do damage to him (Guerrero).
He almost messed up fighting Cotto but he only chose him because he thought Cotto was to far passed it to be a threat. There are subtle characteristics that Floyd looks for in his opposition for them to be "worthy" of the fight. They have to have momentum, and/or a belt and they have to have weaknesses that he can exploit.
With Canelo, he wanted to get him in his first PPV and used the weight against him....he tried to get him two years ago but GB wouldn't let that happen. I bet if Canelo had been in the game a few years longer and was still undefeated, Floyd would not have entertained a match with him.
Hence why he doesn't want to fight Pac, he knows there isn't much there to exploit, Pac has speed and power and seems to have recovered from his KO loss pretty decently meaning he is very mentally strong......which means Floyd wants nothing to do with him.
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Manny did not even wanna negotiate..he said" i want 50/50" even after he told his fans " i will take less for the fight to happen" he just said "i want 50/50" and gave the phone to Konz
seriously you expect pacquiao to negotiate from 0% ppv share and signing for the money team promotions. come on now thats downright disrespectful larry and you know it.