Freddie Roach basically admits Manny may have been on PEDS...

Oh wait a sec, when there were rumors of positive tests you belived it they were true without question. Now there has to be proof for you to believe something? wow, you're a real fair poster. Are you Implying that you are a fair unbiased poster?

I asked about your standards which clearly you changed. When its manny-you need proof. when its floyd-you believe with no proof. I could just as easily ask why manny sued floyd for ped accusations and not espn or the ny daily news, if they are both "lying". Man, maybe you just worded the post wrong. But you're too much of a manny fringe fan for it to be a missprint. Ask for proof in every situation, not just the ones not inolving manny. Haha... how things change. You guys have been accusing Pacman of cheating without shred of proof. Pacman is cheating. No evidence needed. When people say Floyd is a known roider, you aks for proof. Haha...

Floyd was asked to produced his test results. He can't produce any. How hard is it to produce such tests? He's forced to settle his case in court for an undisclosed amount. Is he hiding something? In the same breath, how hard is it to produce something you're accusing anyone of, ie, incriminating emails? Are they true or not? Or are they just lies? See the difference? Come on man. You're not a child are you? I asked about your standards which clearly you changed. When its manny-you need proof. when its floyd-you believe with no proof. I could just as easily ask why manny sued floyd for ped accusations and not espn or the ny daily news, if they are both "lying". Man, maybe you just worded the post wrong. But you're too much of a manny fringe fan for it to be a missprint. Ask for proof in every situation, not just the ones not inolving manny.

Oh wait a sec, when there were rumors of positive tests you belived it they were true without question. Now there has to be proof for you to believe something? wow, you're a real fair poster. Floyd was asked to produced his test results. He can't produce any. How hard is it to produce such tests? He's forced to settle his case in court for an undisclosed amount. Is he hiding something? In the same breath, how hard is it to produce something you're accusing anyone of, ie, incriminating emails? Are they true or not? Or are they just lies? See the difference? Come on man. You're not a child are you?

Just goes to show how stupid floydiots are. So what happened to the emails? If you think anything sent (uploaded) to the net can't be retrieved for evidence, you're an idiot. Oh wait a sec, when there were rumors of positive tests you belived it they were true without question. Now there has to be proof for you to believe something? wow, you're a real fair poster.

TIM SMITH, COLUMNIST FROM THE DAILY NEWS REPORTED THAT Pacquiao’s camp sent TWO emails to the Mayweather Camp, the first asked” what will the Penalty if Pacquiao test positive on the drug test.” The second email:” If he does test positive can they keep it quiet for the betterment of boxing” 9:00min mark. http://youtu.be/3cSq9YlLMuM Just goes to show how stupid floydiots are. So what happened to the emails? If you think anything sent (uploaded) to the net can't be retrieved for evidence, you're an idiot.

What kind of steroid could be put in a shake? Besides a stimulant which would be secreted through urine. Real steroids are injected. Even pills have to pass through the liver which dilute the potency greatly. All sorts can be put into a shake. In fact, Berto got caught because of a shake. He was using a supplement that had traces of a banned substance. So traces of it was found in his system. And that was with a simple over-the-counter shake.

I remember Roach saying the following about drug testing... 1. Manny feels weaker after having his blood drawn... They argued for not blood testing within 14 days of the fight. WTF??? (Olympic Athletes do it all the time) 2. Manny is afraid of needles... (Tatted up though???) 3. Mayweather is just trying to be above the commision, we do what the commission says and they call for Urine testing (But he demanded Blood testing after the Marquez fight) On a side note Rios tested positive for a diuretic (aka something to help him shed weight not gain power or stamina) Not putting all the blame on Pacman, but I feel that people in general always give him a pass for these very suspicious actions. No words can explain why Mayweather is saying that he'd never work with Arum... why negotiate in the first place. Why not just come out and say that from the jump? He tried. But after having an already failed negotiation take place, he doesn't seem keen on trying again. Anyway, this is business. And that fight is still worth a lot of money. So because of the money involved, he may change his mind.

I remember Roach saying the following about drug testing... 1. Manny feels weaker after having his blood drawn... They argued for not blood testing within 14 days of the fight. WTF??? (Olympic Athletes do it all the time) 2. Manny is afraid of needles... (Tatted up though???) 3. Mayweather is just trying to be above the commision, we do what the commission says and they call for Urine testing (But he demanded Blood testing after the Marquez fight) On a side note Rios tested positive for a diuretic (aka something to help him shed weight not gain power or stamina) Not putting all the blame on Pacman, but I feel that people in general always give him a pass for these very suspicious actions. No words can explain why Mayweather is saying that he'd never work with Arum... why negotiate in the first place. Why not just come out and say that from the jump? Maybe he felt that way after negotiating with him.

I remember Roach saying the following about drug testing... 1. Manny feels weaker after having his blood drawn... They argued for not blood testing within 14 days of the fight. WTF??? (Olympic Athletes do it all the time) 2. Manny is afraid of needles... (Tatted up though???) 3. Mayweather is just trying to be above the commision, we do what the commission says and they call for Urine testing (But he demanded Blood testing after the Marquez fight) On a side note Rios tested positive for a diuretic (aka something to help him shed weight not gain power or stamina) Not putting all the blame on Pacman, but I feel that people in general always give him a pass for these very suspicious actions. No words can explain why Mayweather is saying that he'd never work with Arum... why negotiate in the first place. Why not just come out and say that from the jump?

Roach didnt think before he spoke He just left a lot of shade on Pac

Money Mayweather tested positive three times and got away with it. What could possibly be worse? Man, three times. And the level playing field is still not level enough. Hehe...

Well now we know why they had an issue with testing smh. It was fear of the unknown. They didn't know if manny would test dirty or not. It seems nobody but Ariza knows according to roach.

I think he was definatley on something . He came up from 106 , going up in weight getting stronger an faster , funny how as soon as ariza gets shown the door , pacs power an speed starts to go away , couldnt knock out bradley jmm or rios I weighed 75 lbs on one point. now I'm 150. my mum must be ****ing my food with Peds and ariza shakes. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I think he was definatley on something . He came up from 106 , going up in weight getting stronger an faster , funny how as soon as ariza gets shown the door , pacs power an speed starts to go away , couldnt knock out bradley jmm or rios he was on something called puberty. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

I think Roach is trying to distance himself in case Ariza decides to say **** it and just rat Manny out. I wouldn't put it past Floyd to be on something as well. You think a guy that thinks he is above the law, doesn't have to pay taxes, and lays his hands on women and threatens his own children is above taking some drugs if it meant staying on top and he thinks he won't get caught? Read up on this biogenesis case, the MLB have some of the best and most expensive testing around the world and Arod past all their tests for years. This guy and Conte both have said that the testing is years behind what these guys are capable of doing and not being caught. To think that anyone is beyond suspicion just because your a fan is just flat out naive.. Exactly... in no way did I post this thread as a Manny hate thread. I just thought what Roachvsaid was fascinating, and was surprised that its not a big story.

Why else do you think Pacquiao didn't want random blood testing at first? He had to be weaned off those roids first.

like in A-roids case, a whistle blower has to come out and expose pac. still waiting for that tell-all book by ariza to detail pac's steroid use. Buboy is the key, someone needs to bribe him with a green card and a nurse wife.

lol freddie hasnt gotta clue WTF is going on. basically just trying to throw sh*t at Ariza, and doesnt care who gets hit with collateral damage. talk about blind hatred. Ariza must be one special POS....

I think Roach is trying to distance himself in case Ariza decides to say **** it and just rat Manny out. I wouldn't put it past Floyd to be on something as well. You think a guy that thinks he is above the law, doesn't have to pay taxes, and lays his hands on women and threatens his own children is above taking some drugs if it meant staying on top and he thinks he won't get caught? Read up on this biogenesis case, the MLB have some of the best and most expensive testing around the world and Arod past all their tests for years. This guy and Conte both have said that the testing is years behind what these guys are capable of doing and not being caught. To think that anyone is beyond suspicion just because your a fan is just flat out naive..