Andy Lee was stopped by Vera, and barely made it past some club fighter last year. He's frail. Chavez has 2 stoppages in his last 9 fights, he's not this lazy beast youre talking aboutI'm a little amazed you guys are discussing this fight in such a serious manner....
Chavez just isn't that good.
GGG is far superior in just about every attribute you can imagine. Speed, footwork, power, ring generalship, ring intelligence, workrate.......There's nothing that stops Chavez from getting stopped in this fight....
Jr would be the best fighter GGG has fought but I'm not sure what gives first.. GGGs gas or Chavez's chin. Chavez for all the s hit we talk has a pretty good gas tank (legal lr not is a different story). Chavez also carries his power throught the whole fight. He's not like margarito at all he sits down on his punches and if its one thing he has going for himisthathes developed a mean ass left hook. Due to his size it looks brutal. He's got SOME boxing ability too (cant blame him for the Serg fight). Without bias youd have to think hard of a recet middleweight whod not been stopped by Serg let alone beat him. Didnt Serg crack Jr's orbital?
I think JR would have to be saved from himself vs GGG but only if GGG also can take the punches himself. I think an in shape JR could maybe beat GGG (due to his size and strength.). I remember Andy Lee saying JR's strength was unreal that he had never seen something like it even vs bigger dudes in the gym... Then again he was likely on that juice lol. Still, GGG seems more skilled but is he skilled ENOUGH to overcome a possible size advantage vs a guy who looks like he'd be able to take the punches? Sergio had the right style in addition to speed not found at middle. Stylistically, aside from the power GGG isnt a horrible matchup vs jR.
I favor GGG with a dedicated body attack against a lazy JR but a motivated jR? 50/50 maybe even 45/55 for Jr!!! Only because I need to see GGG vs someone bigger than him with power who can take it, has the will and will bring it all night for a change (hes always bigger and stronger, not jr status but he is).
P4p I like GGG better but jury still out on GGG.
Andy Lee was stopped by Vera, and barely made it past some club fighter last year. He's frail. Chavez has 2 stoppages in his last 9 fights, he's not this lazy beast youre talking about
Maybe if GGG turned into Andy Lee
Jr would be the best fighter GGG has fought but I'm not sure what gives first.. GGGs gas or Chavez's chin. Chavez for all the s hit we talk has a pretty good gas tank (legal lr not is a different story). Chavez also carries his power throught the whole fight. He's not like margarito at all he sits down on his punches and if its one thing he has going for himisthathes developed a mean ass left hook. Due to his size it looks brutal. He's got SOME boxing ability too (cant blame him for the Serg fight). Without bias youd have to think hard of a recet middleweight whod not been stopped by Serg let alone beat him. Didnt Serg crack Jr's orbital?
I think JR would have to be saved from himself vs GGG but only if GGG also can take the punches himself. I think an in shape JR could maybe beat GGG (due to his size and strength.). I remember Andy Lee saying JR's strength was unreal that he had never seen something like it even vs bigger dudes in the gym... Then again he was likely on that juice lol. Still, GGG seems more skilled but is he skilled ENOUGH to overcome a possible size advantage vs a guy who looks like he'd be able to take the punches? Sergio had the right style in addition to speed not found at middle. Stylistically, aside from the power GGG isnt a horrible matchup vs jR.
I favor GGG with a dedicated body attack against a lazy JR but a motivated jR? 50/50 maybe even 45/55 for Jr!!! Only because I need to see GGG vs someone bigger than him with power who can take it, has the will and will bring it all night for a change (hes always bigger and stronger, not jr status but he is).
P4p I like GGG better but jury still out on GGG.
Jcc Jr is a bigger less skilled version of margaritas . The jr that faught Macklin vs any version of ggg is aswell of a fight. The question is does jr out will 3g . Ggg will hit chavez with all he has by round 6 either chavez chins broken or his spirit rises ggg loses steam in his punches (from punching jr so much) and jr begins to walk golovkin down. I think jr has more talent than given credit all that he should be at lhw can stfu ,168 will be his best weight class sure he looks sluggish and slow dude is dropping a ton of weight tell me who wouldn't?
Someone needs to x-ray Jr's skull to check if had that same freak extra thick skull genetic mutation his dad had.
Still.. it remains to be seen if he has a p4p chin until he fights someone his own natural size.
Chavez has a good chin but he is easy to hit. GGG would pound away on his head and his body. He would KO Chavez Jr. GGG is the most dangerous fighter alive today. He has fast accurate combinations to the head and body and great power in both hands. He has the killer instinct and the boxing skills from 350 amateur fights.
How bout GGG's power and GGG's chin? GGG has fought 378 fights combined amatuers and pro and has neve been down or hurt...so as far as we know he may have the best chin out there...
im watchin chavez vs lee highlights, man, chavez just used his size plodding forward. dude is gonna get beaten up if he fought ward.
chavez jr from that night stop's golovkin
How has jr really proven he has a chin that is so great by fighting much smaller or pillow fisted fighters?
Martinez would have ko'd any other MW in the world that night with the amount of punches he crushed Chavez jr with....that includes 3G. He straight pummeled that dude's face, he looked like a MW Pacquiao.
GGG stops fighters to the body! Thats impressive these days, their not lightweights they weight 155 to 165 and if you watch him sink his shots in and where he's putting them you'd know that he knows what he's doing!
As for Juniors chin it might be his best asset and other than that I don't care about him at all. He showed everyone what he's all about by embarrassing his father on the 24/7 show! Disrespecting his trainer and everything his father has done for him. The guys a fool and I have no idea why anyone would follow his career!!
Ray
Chavez Jr has fought smaller fighters his whole career. Who knows how good his chin is. The fighters he's faced haven't been that good either aside from Sergio.
GGG competition hasn't been great but I think his power is clearly legit. He's knocked out some durable guys already. We've also heard reports of him hurting bigger fighters in sparring.
How has jr really proven he has a chin that is so great by fighting much smaller or pillow fisted fighters?
A valid question, some might question GGG power against legit 160 competiton.
How has jr really proven he has a chin that is so great by fighting much smaller or pillow fisted fighters?
He did a decent job at defending Martinez's punches with his face