Against 10 champions:
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - WBC and WBA Super welterweight (Undefeated)
Robert Guerrero - WBC interim welterweight champion
Miguel Cotto - WBA super welterweight champion/The Ring #1-ranked light middleweight
Victor Ortiz - WBC welterweight champion/The Ring #2-ranked welterweight
Shane Mosley - WBA super-welterweight champion/#1 Ranked welterweight/#3 pound for pound
Juan Manuel Marquez - The Ring lightweight champion/#2 pound-for-pound
Ricky Hatton - The Ring light welterweight champion (Undefeated)
Oscar De La Hoya - WBC light-middleweight titleholder/Cashcow champion
Carlos Baldimir - WBC and The Ring welterweight champion
Zab Judah - IBF welterweight champion
Facts are facts ladies and gentlemen.
Opinion opinion opinion. Let's deal with the facts, as adults should. Manny's last fight was against Brandon Rios. He was not a P4P fighter, so stop with this lie that Manny's last 3 fights were against Pound for Pound fighters. He fought Marquez and Tim Bradley, 2 fighters in which he lost to. 2 fighters that are also promoted by Top Rank. One fighter in which Floyd had already clearly beaten. Who are the welters and jr. middleweights that are on the p4p list outside of Floyd, Manny, Marquez and Bradley? Don't be an idiot.
Don't mention Pacs fight with Rios as im saying Pac routinely fights P4p fighters, and only fought Rios as he has just been ko'ed.
Floyd on the other hand with his comeback has yet to fight the level of opposition Pac routinely does and without much praise as well, as Pac is the favourite to beat them and was even accused of cherry picking JMM.
Yes Pac lost to JMM and Bradley, because if you keep putting your foot in the water like Pac does you will eventually lose. Floyd doesn't fight p4p fighters if he can help it that's why he don't lose.
People only wanted Floyd to fight canelo as Floyd didn't want no part of p4p fighters like Sergio and Pac and Bradley, but they also wanted Floyd to fight at 154, but Floyd couldn't do that with canelo.
Floyd fans say the standard for Floyd is higher, yet Floyd clearly cant live up to his fans expectations.
The same way Floyd got bumped to #1p4p tied wirh Manny after he came back from retirement and beat JMM a blown up SFW fighting at WW for the first time in his career.
Imagine...being away from the sport. Surrendering your spot. Making a SFW move up 3 divisions to fight you. And becoming #1 p4p again!
There is no official Pound-for-Pound championship. It is an opinionated list, and every website and boxing aficionado has their own list, so your comment makes absolutely no sense.
it's still puzzling to me how pac got bumped to a mandatory position by beating a blown up former lightweight champion coming off a loss
....and let me just state: i like pac as a fighter
The same way that Pacquaio and Margarito were selected as the number 1 and 2 contenders for a 154-pound belt when Pac had never fought at 154 and Margarito lost his only fight at 154. The alphabet ratings system is a joke.
Against 10 champions:
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - WBC and WBA Super welterweight (Undefeated)
Robert Guerrero - WBC interim welterweight champion
Miguel Cotto - WBA super welterweight champion/The Ring #1-ranked light middleweight
Victor Ortiz - WBC welterweight champion/The Ring #2-ranked welterweight
Shane Mosley - WBA super-welterweight champion/#1 Ranked welterweight/#3 pound for pound
Juan Manuel Marquez - The Ring lightweight champion/#2 pound-for-pound
Ricky Hatton - The Ring light welterweight champion (Undefeated)
Oscar De La Hoya - WBC light-middleweight titleholder/Cashcow champion
Carlos Baldimir - WBC and The Ring welterweight champion
Zab Judah - IBF welterweight champion
Facts are facts ladies and gentlemen.
Exactly, what the hell does cherrypicking mean, anyway? The clowns on this site spew out this word the way Republicans and racists spew out communist in reference to Barack Obama. Neither group knows what the hell the words they use actually mean!
If you take a look at Mayweather's last 10 opponents as listed above vs. Manny Pacquaio's last 10 opponents (who, incidentally, were all cherrypicked by Bob Arum), anyon with any sense (I recognize that this description only refers to about 10 percent of the people who post on this board) can see that Mayweather has fought a much better quality selection of opponents. Yet, the idiots on this site continue to call Mayweather a cherrypicker simply because he hasn't fought Pacquaio (even though Bob Arum has kept this fight from happening), who got KTFO in his last legitimate fight.
it's still puzzling to me how pac got bumped to a mandatory position by beating a blown up former lightweight champion coming off a loss
....and let me just state: i like pac as a fighter
lmfao how? wtf you think $$$ the WBC knows whats up and should have done this looooooong time ago
Floyd fought Marquez when Marquez was universally recognized P4P #2 in the world. Guess what Floyd's next fight was? It was Shane Mosley he was Universally recognized as the #3 P4P Fighter in the world. These are the facts, I know it hurts.
Floyds last 6 opponents haven't been p4p the best. SSM wasn't a p4p fighter. JMM was bloated and had proved nothing at 140 let alone at 147 and Floyd came in over the limit, you cant ignore that.
Floyds last 3 opponents certainly aren't p4p, yet Pacs last 3 were ie JMM, Brad, JMM and regularly. FLoyd has long recuperating breaks which benefit him, he isn't a fighter.
Listen, Floyd and his team understand the urgency of Manny's financial situation. Their actions tell me they refused to be dictated to or backed into a corner, when they feel they have the upper-hand. Even though this is my opinion, and doesn't count for much, i feel they want to reserve the right to do things on their terms.
the same way team pac refused additional testing... dont forget, pac held all the power the first negotiations. so if you co-sign floyd "refusing to be dictated to", then you clearly agree with pac sharing the same feelings during the first negotiations...
Against 10 champions:
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - WBC and WBA Super welterweight (Undefeated)
Robert Guerrero - WBC interim welterweight champion
Miguel Cotto - WBA super welterweight champion/The Ring #1-ranked light middleweight
Victor Ortiz - WBC welterweight champion/The Ring #2-ranked welterweight
Shane Mosley - WBA super-welterweight champion/#1 Ranked welterweight/#3 pound for pound
Juan Manuel Marquez - The Ring lightweight champion/#2 pound-for-pound
Ricky Hatton - The Ring light welterweight champion (Undefeated)
Oscar De La Hoya - WBC light-middleweight titleholder/Cashcow champion
Carlos Baldimir - WBC and The Ring welterweight champion
Zab Judah - IBF welterweight champion
Facts are facts ladies and gentlemen.
Now if Floyd would have refused to fight any of those guys while they were on top, coming off of wins, and having title belts, the criticism would've been well deserved.
But he fights them and lifts their belts, and it's as if those guys
merely handed them to him without a fight.
You kidding right you cannot say Timothy Bradley and JMM is tough competition? Floyd would crusify Timothy I think pac beat him also but Brandon Rios? Come on he not good at all! Floyd ahs fought better competetion lately all the guys Manny has fought were ok but floyd would of killed the same guys, everyone that has fought both of them chose Floyd to win!! Marquez, Oscar, Cotto, Delhoya wonder why?
Listen, Floyd and his team understand the urgency of Manny's financial situation. Their actions tell me they refused to be dictated to or backed into a corner, when they feel they have the upper-hand. Even though this is my opinion, and doesn't count for much, i feel they want to reserve the right to do things on their terms.
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then do another cherrypick by fighting his WBC mandatory
it's still puzzling to me how pac got bumped to a mandatory position by beating a blown up former lightweight champion coming off a loss
....and let me just state: i like pac as a fighter
the same way Floyd got a fight with 154 titlist dlh. because they can.
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Please, fool. Mosley was over the hill but Marquez wasn't? If Mayweather fought the same Marquez of late 2011/2012 , he wouldn't get the least bit of credit even though unlike Pac he'd thoroughly beat him.
SSM just wasn't a p4p fighter, whereas JMM is that's the difference. When Floyd fought JMM he came in over the limit and bloated JMM, JMM wasn't proven at 140, let alone 147. So again Floyd doesn't fight p4p fighters, and if he does it is rare.
The Ring also currently has Broner #9 top 10 P4P followed by Canelo at #10 too. Those guys are clueless over there.
Canelo isn't no10 p4p of course on the basis of only having beat Trout. Which shows Floyd never fights great fighters.
Pac fought JMM, Bradley and then JMM again, with 1 year and a half. Floyd would never and has never worked that hard.
Floyd is world famous for rarely fighting P4p fighters.....Canelo, Guerrero and Ortiz case in point. Pac fighting JMM, Bradley and then JMM proves Pac tests himself routinely every fight almost.
When Floyd once in a lifetime fights a p4p fighter it is against old past it fighters like SSM who didn't deserve the p4p rating and only got it on the basis of beating Margarito who people rubbish anyway.
Please, fool. Mosley was over the hill but Marquez wasn't? If Mayweather fought the same Marquez of late 2011/2012 , he wouldn't get the least bit of credit even though unlike Pac he'd thoroughly beat him.