pacquiao punch output too much for floyed to run from all night when fight happens.

Manny's punch output will decrease if he fights Floyd. Just as Marquez mentioned, Manny does not do well against guys who have speed, have good lateral movement and have high boxing iq. Floyd possesses all the qualities that will provide problems. Not only will Mannys output decrease, but he'd eventually get walked down and probably knocked down or out late. Manny has a better chance beating his tax situation Floyd would win on points In a CLOSE fight, but no way does he KO Manny. Floyd will never walk Manny down and would most likely be on the retreat himself, trying to pick Manny apart on his way In. Floyd doesn"t take risks In the ring and would never leave himself open to be hit back especially against Pacquiao.

Manny's punch output will decrease if he fights Floyd. Just as Marquez mentioned, Manny does not do well against guys who have speed, have good lateral movement and have high boxing iq. Floyd possesses all the qualities that will provide problems. Not only will Mannys output decrease, but he'd eventually get walked down and probably knocked down or out late. Manny has a better chance beating his tax situation

Floyd reduces EVERYONES connect% to less than 20. Juiceman will be no different OK, did I even argue that? :spank:

That reason is because styles make fights. If you put a brawler against Pacquiao, he will throw that many punches, because they're slow and that is how he made a name for himself, fighting that style. If you put him against a counterpuncher, that Manny goes out the window. He turns into a wary fighter because of the counters and the good timing/speed of the opponent. Cotto throws about 600 tops in every fight, he doesn't have the stamina to throw 1,000 punches like prime Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao. Being active is not a skill, more like an ability, and Cotto doesn't have that ability, he's too slow. Mayweather of all fighters(low workrate), outworked Cotto. And that's exactly why Manny is a monster. God blessed him with insane stamina. So you're answer is, Manny's just a beast, and Cotto can't do what Manny can do? Also, that whole first paragraph was nothing but a repeat of what I already heard you say.

There's a reason he has to throw that many shots against guys like Maragrito and Clottey. So he doesn't get trapped in the corner, and ran over. How is this a knock on Manny? Why didn't Cotto just throw a million punches and do the same thing to them? That reason is because styles make fights. If you put a brawler against Pacquiao, he will throw that many punches, because they're slow and that is how he made a name for himself, fighting that style. If you put him against a counterpuncher, that Manny goes out the window. He turns into a wary fighter because of the counters and the good timing/speed of the opponent. Cotto throws about 600 tops in every fight, he doesn't have the stamina to throw 1,000 punches like prime Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao. Being active is not a skill, more like an ability, and Cotto doesn't have that ability, he's too slow. Mayweather of all fighters(low workrate), outworked Cotto.

Like they say speed kills, and pacquiao's punching speed and accuracy would just be too much for mayweather to keep up with. That is main reason why floyed has waited for pacquiao to age before taking d fight. Who agrees? Who disagrees? I agree why would you wait so long no fighter in history has run from someone so long. Can you imagine If Ali waited on people to age rather than face them or come up with stupid steroid testing while you fail 3 of them your self

Floyd reduces EVERYONES connect% to less than 20. Juiceman will be no different ok, what's the 20% of 542? :rolleyes: this is the same guy that doesn't know how many years in a decade. :lol1:

Combos can only work if the opponent is actually there to be hit.

They just need to make the fight and settle all this. I believe Mayweather's defense and accuracy will win him the fight but you always have to worry about Pacquiao's work rate and punching power.

I agree. So all can move onto the new talent that's trying to make a name for themselves http://www.fighthype.com/images/content/keiththurman2.jpg

And that's why they need to fight. Settle the debate. I agree. So all can move onto the new talent that's trying to make a name for themselves

pacquiao's punch output is not there against counterpunchers, it's only there against stationary targets. In the marquez iii fight, he threw a mere 578 punches. As opposed to 790 in the rios fight, 1,069 in the margarito fight, 1,231 in the clottey fight, and 780 in the cotto fight. Against bradley it was weird, bradley didn't held pacquao's workrate down, instead he out threw pacquiao 839 to 751. Against marquez: 2004 - 639 2008 - 619 2011 - 578 2012 - 256 in 6 rounds, on that pace he would have thrown a little over 500 punches. Showing that counterpunching keeps workrates down. This is also very evident in hopkins fights when he faces supposed active fighters. It goes without saying that mayweather is the master of making fighters work on his pace, he always keeps fighters at around 450-550 punches. end thread

Pacquiao's punch output is not there against counterpunchers, it's only there against stationary targets. In the Marquez III fight, he threw a mere 578 punches. As opposed to 790 in the Rios fight, 1,069 in the Margarito fight, 1,231 in the Clottey fight, and 780 in the Cotto fight. Against Bradley it was weird, Bradley didn't held Pacquao's workrate down, instead he out threw Pacquiao 839 to 751. Against Marquez: 2004 - 639 2008 - 619 2011 - 578 2012 - 256 in 6 rounds, on that pace he would have thrown a little over 500 punches. Showing that counterpunching keeps workrates down. This is also very evident in Hopkins fights when he faces supposed active fighters. It goes without saying that Mayweather is the master of making fighters work on his pace, he always keeps fighters at around 450-550 punches. There's a reason he has to throw that many shots against guys like Maragrito and Clottey. So he doesn't get trapped in the corner, and ran over. How is this a knock on Manny? Why didn't Cotto just throw a million punches and do the same thing to them?

Pacquiao's punch output is not there against counterpunchers, it's only there against stationary targets. In the Marquez III fight, he threw a mere 578 punches. As opposed to 790 in the Rios fight, 1,069 in the Margarito fight, 1,231 in the Clottey fight, and 780 in the Cotto fight. Against Bradley it was weird, Bradley didn't held Pacquao's workrate down, instead he out threw Pacquiao 839 to 751. Against Marquez: 2004 - 639 2008 - 619 2011 - 578 2012 - 256 in 6 rounds, on that pace he would have thrown a little over 500 punches. Showing that counterpunching keeps workrates down. This is also very evident in Hopkins fights when he faces supposed active fighters. It goes without saying that Mayweather is the master of making fighters work on his pace, he always keeps fighters at around 450-550 punches.

Is Floyd younger than Manny? Obviously not but Floyd is a lot more fresh than Manny that's for sure. There's a reason why Floyd looks so good at his age, he doesn't take a lot of shots and rarely does he take a clean shot, he eats clean and doesn't drink. it's safe to say Floyd has younger legs, has less fights, less wars if any and add to his early retirement and lay offs...Floyd is much fresher than Manny. It's a good time for May to fight Pac.

Is Floyd younger than Manny? I've always thought the longer the fight takes to get made the greater the edge to May. May has great speed and stamina, but his craft doesn't revolve around it. Manny's does. just like Bhop & RJJ

Pac would look like he didn against Clottey with lotta missed/blocked punches...only thing is that Mayweather will hit back, with that overhand right. Its crazy too cuz Mays weakness is a southpaw staright left which pac throws, and pacs weakness is those overhand rights/straight rights that May is great at. Both are the fastest n most accurate fighters. It may end like how May-Hatton did, bUT Mayweather will def get lit up. U dont beat pac without a bloody nose or swollen face and that is why May has been reluctant to go through hell

Like they say speed kills, and pacquiao's punching speed and accuracy would just be too much for mayweather to keep up with. That is main reason why floyed has waited for pacquiao to age before taking d fight. Who agrees? Who disagrees? Is Floyd younger than Manny?

Anyone who knows boxing knows when you fight a great counter puncher your punch output gets cut in half....boxing 101

You could also probably say Floyd's counter punching/potshot and defence is too much for Pac. And that's why they need to fight. Settle the debate.