It's widely known that before the Prescott fight Khan was struggling badly with making weight at 135. He was simply very badly weight-drained. He made a huge mistake by picking an extremely poor new trainer who not only suggested Prescott as an opponent, but also gave Khan a game plan which involved rushing in on Prescott, trying to KO him early. It was a game plan which would probably get almost any elite fighter in serious trouble against a power puncher like Prescott who is always very dangerous early on in fights. Needless to say, that trainer only trained Khan for the one fight. His game plan was essentially getting a weight-drained fighter to run at a proven power puncher (Prescott at the time had a 94% KO ratio in 19 fights).
Against Garcia, Khan went through one of his worst camps ever, largely due to the faults of the core training team. He had just split ways with Alex Ariza, his long time strength and conditioning coach. Instantly, this was a pretty significant alteration to the team. What made things much worse was that Freddie Roach was busy training Pacquiao in the Philippines for the Bradley fight so Khan didn't even have his main trainer consistently in the camp. Footage of Khan sparring during this camp just served to highlight how poor training was going, Khan was basically trying to brawl with a middleweight, technique was virtually non-existent, and Freddie Roach wasn't even in the same country at the time.
Peterson of course has always been a non-consideration. Not only did Khan have to deal with a crooked referee and bent judges, essentially getting robbed by points, but we later found out that Peterson had been using PEDs for that fight, he'd been cheating all along.
Don't blame the trainer for his tactics against Presscott. Like the Garcia fight, that was all Khan's doing. Prescott got to Khan during the build up by maintaining that he will KO khan, Khan looking offended and fired up in the final press conference vowed to stand toe to toe and knock this guy out because of the audacity he showed by predicting a KO. Legit loss like Garcia. Peterson is his only controversial loss.
The real Khan can take a punch on the left of the temple from Foreman and a punch to the right of the Head from Tyson at the same time and still stay on his feet,Yo
Whats next?? If Khan didn't masturbate in the dressing room pre-fight he would tko'd Danny Garcia in 1 round
You are surely aware that mind games have long been part of boxing for an underlying reason. If you can take an opponent out of a game plan you're succeeding in part of the overall strategy. The Garcia's succeeded in their mind games with Khan, just like B-Hop succeeded in his mind games with Trinidad, like Ali succeeded in his mind games with Frazier and Foreman, like Tyson succeeded in his mind games with most of his opponents etc..
So we can't entirely dismiss the mental aspect, there is a very long tradition where the psychological strategy has proven to be effective, even against very high-caliber boxers including ATGs.
I am certainly aware that mind games have been used for decades, however this is the first time I've seen someone (you) try to use it as a legitimate excuse for losing. Face it your hero isn't going to beat many world class fighters
Up to this post, I was Ok with your nationalistic pride, but you crossed a line. For you to suggest Khans loss to Garcia wasn't fair because of Khans training camp wasn't right. Pure Bu!!*****!
And somehow Angel Garcias big mouth caused Khan to lose! Is Khan really that big of a mental midget?
Like I said before, with Khans poor defense and bad chin, there's not many world class fighter he could beat.
You are surely aware that mind games have long been part of boxing for an underlying reason. If you can take an opponent out of a game plan you're succeeding in part of the overall strategy. The Garcia's succeeded in their mind games with Khan, just like B-Hop succeeded in his mind games with Trinidad, like Ali succeeded in his mind games with Frazier and Foreman, like Tyson succeeded in his mind games with most of his opponents etc..
So we can't entirely dismiss the mental aspect, there is a very long tradition where the psychological strategy has proven to be effective, even against very high-caliber boxers including ATGs.
Fair and square? Far from it. As I've explained in the first post, Khan's camp for the Garcia fight was one of the worst of his entire career. Freddie Roach was in the Philippines training Pacquiao for Bradley, Ariza and Khan had parted ways. He basically trained himself for that fight, his new strength and conditioning coach, Ruben, wasn't even a boxing guy, he was involved much more in athletic training. So the reality is that Khan trained himself for around 75% of that camp. Fair and square? Not a chance.
To top it off, Angel Garcia dropped a lot of racial slurs which took Khan out of his game plan and made him fight much more aggressive than usual. That was Khan's own anger to blame but still, it did add to all the other factors.
Why do you think Garcia didn't accept the immediate rematch? He knew he was lucky to escape with the W that time because a well-trained Khan would have beaten him relatively easily.
Up to this post, I was Ok with your nationalistic pride, but you crossed a line. For you to suggest Khans loss to Garcia wasn't fair because of Khans training camp wasn't right. Pure Bu!!*****!
And somehow Angel Garcias big mouth caused Khan to lose! Is Khan really that big of a mental midget?
Like I said before, with Khans poor defense and bad chin, there's not many world class fighter he could beat.
Sounds like your jimmies are highly rustled....
I'm here trying to refute OP's moronic thread which you probably agree with..
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No I most certainly do not.
I don't know what you are talking about.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/image.php?u=136225&type=sigpic&dateline=1376987134
You have no response to the cold harsh facts about Khan...
So you resort to crying and accusing people of being alts...
You are a crybaby.
The internet, it's serious business.
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what facts?
Why are you even trying to deny that you are the same stupid guy with stupid names who write nothing but stupid threads about khan "doing the booty dew".
You are clearly a masturbating teenager who needs to be locked away.
Away from bscene at least.
That's his fault doe...
If you're that mentally weak to be off your gameplan for a fight due to such an obvious attempt to get under your skin you deserve the loss...
Khan did the booty dew and was beaten comprehensively.....
Now Garcia is the man and Khan is just a guy looking for a cash out opportunity with Mayweather..
I'm hoping one of the mods wake up soon and ban this guy.
The "keepitobjective" and "keepitimpartial" accounts have thankfully been removed.
Come on mods!!! Show us what you're made of. You must be able to IP ban this guy.
Garcia beat him fair and square....
Made him do the stanky leg....
Check my sig he did the booty dew...
Fair and square? Far from it. As I've explained in the first post, Khan's camp for the Garcia fight was one of the worst of his entire career. Freddie Roach was in the Philippines training Pacquiao for Bradley, Ariza and Khan had parted ways. He basically trained himself for that fight, his new strength and conditioning coach, Ruben, wasn't even a boxing guy, he was involved much more in athletic training. So the reality is that Khan trained himself for around 75% of that camp. Fair and square? Not a chance.
To top it off, Angel Garcia dropped a lot of racial slurs which took Khan out of his game plan and made him fight much more aggressive than usual. That was Khan's own anger to blame but still, it did add to all the other factors.
Why do you think Garcia didn't accept the immediate rematch? He knew he was lucky to escape with the W that time because a well-trained Khan would have beaten him relatively easily.
lol he was defeated vs Diaz but Diaz was robbed, too bad he has no chin cause he has great speed n combos, hes been looking like crap with Hunter
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couldn't you actually do this with every fighter? Come up with real excuses for every loss? Canelo only lost because Floyd made him sweat off 2 more lbs, Mattysse only lost because Garcia closed his eye, Hatton only lost because the ref wouldn't let him hold and hit on the inside, etc. See what I mean. With Khans poor defense and bad chin, it's hard to imagine him beating very many world class fighters, excuses or not
I agree, it could account for some other fighter's losses too. With the Khan situation it was issues with weight or trainers/team - external events in the lead up to the fight. With the examples you gave, bar Canelo, the incidents in question happened during the fight.
My point is that the pre-fight period, the training, the camp, making weight, is crucial and can effect how the fight plays out, and it's eventual outcome. These issues were very prominent in Khan's two losses to Prescott (severe weight-draining, new, incompetent trainer) and Garcia (extremely poor and ineffective training camp). Had those issues not been present the outcomes of both those fights would have most probably been very different in my opinion.
No, it's entirely factual. An accurate account of events as they unfolded around those particular fights. I'd advise reading through again and paying closer attention. If people want to claim it's just excuses, that's fine (and completely predictable). But those events did happen as I've described, they are facts, so you can reach your own conclusion of how they could have prevented Khan performing to anywhere near his true capability.
couldn't you actually do this with every fighter? Come up with real excuses for every loss? Canelo only lost because Floyd made him sweat off 2 more lbs, Mattysse only lost because Garcia closed his eye, Hatton only lost because the ref wouldn't let him hold and hit on the inside, etc. See what I mean. With Khans poor defense and bad chin, it's hard to imagine him beating very many world class fighters, excuses or not
your nationalistic pride is commendable, but this is pure drivel, and everyone who read this is now dumber for having done so
No, it's entirely factual. An accurate account of events as they unfolded around those particular fights. I'd advise reading through again and paying closer attention. If people want to claim it's just excuses, that's fine (and completely predictable). But those events did happen as I've described, they are facts, so you can reach your own conclusion of how they could have prevented Khan performing to anywhere near his true capability.
For the sake of humor, I'm going to assume that you're referring to Amir Khan the actor.
http://bollyfun4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Aamir_-Khan_Top_Latest_Songs.jpg
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you're correct..the loss to prescott can be explained as he was still in the learning process..just like pacman's 2 early losses
the loss to Lamont Peterson was a robbery the ref favoured peterson....haters must be blind not to see it
the loss to Garcia..was foolishness on Amir's part...he dominated the first 2 round and got c0cky and Garcia caught him with a LUCKY SHOT..
im 100% sure Khan would beat Garcia in the rematch...Khan is a much more skilled boxer than Garcia..and Virgil must have improved his defence by then.
Much respect for this thorough and informative article
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the article and I agree Khan's losses can be compared to Pacquiao's early losses. Pacquiao was weight-drained in his first loss, he got KO'd in 3 rounds against a fighter with 11 wins, 4 losses and 5 draws. That fighter, Torrecampo, retired in 1997 and returned in 2011 for one fight. He has a 27% KO ratio to date. At the time he fought Pacquiao he had KOd 7 people in 20 fights. A difference there is that Torrecampo wasn't a known power puncher like Prescott was, but it just goes to show how weight-draining can immensely reduce punch resistance.
the real amir khan has:
1) NO chin whatsoever
2) VERY VERY LOW ring IQ
3) cant read & adjust in the ring to his opponent
4) VERY leaky defense with holes
5) is easy to time & catch im combination
this is the lowdown
It's widely known that before the Prescott fight Khan was struggling badly with making weight at 135. He was simply very badly weight-drained. He made a huge mistake by picking an extremely poor new trainer who not only suggested Prescott as an opponent, but also gave Khan a game plan which involved rushing in on Prescott, trying to KO him early. It was a game plan which would probably get almost any elite fighter in serious trouble against a power puncher like Prescott who is always very dangerous early on in fights. Needless to say, that trainer only trained Khan for the one fight. His game plan was essentially getting a weight-drained fighter to run at a proven power puncher (Prescott at the time had a 94% KO ratio in 19 fights).
Against Garcia, Khan went through one of his worst camps ever, largely due to the faults of the core training team. He had just split ways with Alex Ariza, his long time strength and conditioning coach. Instantly, this was a pretty significant alteration to the team. What made things much worse was that Freddie Roach was busy training Pacquiao in the Philippines for the Bradley fight so Khan didn't even have his main trainer consistently in the camp. Footage of Khan sparring during this camp just served to highlight how poor training was going, Khan was basically trying to brawl with a middleweight, technique was virtually non-existent, and Freddie Roach wasn't even in the same country at the time.
Peterson of course has always been a non-consideration. Not only did Khan have to deal with a crooked referee and bent judges, essentially getting robbed by points, but we later found out that Peterson had been using PEDs for that fight, he'd been cheating all along.
your nationalistic pride is commendable, but this is pure drivel, and everyone who read this is now dumber for having done so
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