Floyd and Pressure Fighters

Quoted for truth! This is why I believe B Hop want to fight Floyd at 160, he the only guy smart enough and skilled enough to do it. And BIG lol. But he'd have to destroy his body probably to make that weight hed be SO slow it'd be unreal. Unless he plans on bodying Floyd lol.

Guys, watch Floyd versus Hatton, Chavez, and Castillo. See who was effective in heir aggression. Judah did good against Floyd by countering him, but conditioning is a part of boxing and you need that to beat Floyd. Floyd slowed Judah down going to his body. Everyone thinks that Judah slowed down himself. Nah, watch Floyd in that fight too. Castillo won 5 rounds, zab, cotto and ODH won 3 or 4 rounds. Yet no one dicusse what happened in the other rounds of these fights. I wonder why?

Guys, watch Floyd versus Hatton, Chavez, and Castillo. See who was effective in heir aggression. Judah did good against Floyd by countering him, but conditioning is a part of boxing and you need that to beat Floyd. Floyd slowed Judah down going to his body. Everyone thinks that Judah slowed down himself. Nah, watch Floyd in that fight too.

guys who just let them hands go with have the best success. All these boxers are looking to land that shot, mayweather to fast. Someone who throws no matter what is waht gonna do mayweather in, 4-5-6 punch combos, he might dodge most but one will land. These fighters who try to land a shot off what they see fail cause floyd reflexes are so damn fast so once your brain registers their a spot to land better believe mayweather brain registered you are gonna try to land that shot and he already going into defense mode to take that shot away from you so he out of the danger zone before that punch landed or he blocks it almost 100%. People gonna laugh but someone like Rios, Margarito, Williams, Leo Santa Cruz, etc will have more success on floyd then any elite boxer-puncher (yeah I know leo tiny motherfucker but talking style wise here), why would they have more success? cause they dont pick their shots, they just throw em. they miss with the left and without even looking they throw a overhand right hoping your face is their, they miss that they already trying the left to the body, then that gonna hit something either arms or body but then they already throwing another punch somewhere else. Predictable, orthoxdox fighting style mayweather can defend against with ease. Leo is actually VERY efficient. P Will would have been physically the "problem"... Except Quintana out boxed him. Marg would have ran into straight rights, body jabs and clinched the whole fight... Too slow. Pac is just quite frankly not good enough to overcome the AWFUL matchup oresented to him. A guy probably slightly bigger, stronger, smarter, and faster? In his prime or at least not far removed? And is a counter puncher with atg defense? Just no. As nuch as I love pac and hate Floyd...Floyd just doesnt play into ANY of Pac's strengths. As mentioned, all tht was landed on Floyd was a GOOD jab by great jabbers. Cotto lost a practical shut out imo. Sure he was competitive but that doesnt mean it was close. At all. P Will's problem seemed to be southpaws though and he did posess an unusual advantage at welter with his crazy length (though he fought short) good chin, freakish output and good power (at 147). I give him the most benefit of the doubt because of what he could POTENTIALLY bring to the table (long jabs, punches in bunches from a distance, etc). marg had wraps does ANYONE not care about this!?

Castillo gave him hell, that was the fight that gave Floyd the image of a runner. He was going all over the ring fighting scary int he first fight, the rematch he fought super cautious. Floyd at 130 was more of a combo in and out puncher he threw a lot of timed punches and went for the KO, the first Castillo fight changed him. Castillo sparred with Manny for the Cotto fight in the Philippines and he said that Pacman would beat him. Floyd also said Augustus gave him a tough fight, awkward and punches from bunches and angles, Floyd cannot fight guys who are unorthodox and aggressive with stamina. He is a spot fighter who needs you to be flat footed and stationary so he can time you and get out fast. His face is open to the left straight hand as evidenced with Oscar and Cotto. Margarito had an iron chin, high punch rate, and stamina, he was basically a bigger version of Castillo no way Floyd could hold up to that pressure, and Paul Willaims as well lots of pressure and stamina. Floyd also said the fighter who would give him a tough fight would be Aaron Pryor and who was compared to Aaron Pryor ? Manny Pacquiao, Emmanuel Steward when he first saw Pacman compared Pac to Aaron Pryor and Henry Amrstrong because of his buzzsaw aggression and stamina at featherweight. I can't think of a better purely technical analysis of what makes Floyd sweat at night... Great post. Judah also gave him some problems early...why? because Floyd is not as fast as people think, he just has very untelegraphed punches. A guy like Jones who had unnatural speed and unorthodox angles might give him some troubles....you know someone like Judah who could hold it together past a few rounds. Whitaker is another example. A guy who cannot be countered conventionally. An inherent weakness of Floyd's style (you see this with Toney who often uses the same shoulder roll) is against a straight hard...fast jab. The problem being that a jab can be too fast to counter off a shoulder roll and right cross. hence de La Hoyas earlt success...but floyd adjusted to the jab because alas...a De La Hoya jab while a fine one is not on the order of somoene like a Tommy Hearns jab!! I don't know if Williams could do it...Williams has reach and output but I think Floyd can slow output and control, through his counter, many swarming attacks...There is quite a difference in the quality of a Paul Williams burst as compared to Aaron Pryer! Margarito? maybe.

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters. The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter. This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure. Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather. Feel free to point my observation wrong. You're not wrong, but the only fighter who had success pressuring Floyd is Jesus Chavez. No other fighter since has put that kind of pressure on Floyd. Baldomir tried, but he was way too slow. Cotto and Dlh pressured Floyd but couldn't hit him flush. Chavez hit Floyd clean, cut the ring off, cut Floyd...and busted his nose. Williams, Margarito and Pac didn't/don't have the kind of pressure that would trouble Floyd. Pac too small, and Williams and Margarito were too slow. Margarito was slow as molasses which is why Shane almost killed him. Williams got hit too much, and Pac would be fighting someone who was faster than him. To this day not even Castillo put up the kind of pressure that Jesus Chavez put on Floyd.

Floyd has not only not fought proper pressure fighters, he also gets more protection than he should, so that the pressure fighters cant be at their best, cos the ref is always on their case. Basically, Floyd has been cherry picking his whole career, but that is the worst kept secret in the world. you said he wouldn't fight Hatton and then he destroyed him. You still on this stuff 6 years later. Get over yourself dude. Floyd KTFO of the guy you said he wouldn't fight because he couldn't beat.

Floyd has not only not fought proper pressure fighters, he also gets more protection than he should, so that the pressure fighters cant be at their best, cos the ref is always on their case. Basically, Floyd has been cherry picking his whole career, but that is the worst kept secret in the world. you said he wouldn't fight Hatton and then he destroyed him. You still on this stuff 6 years later. Get over yourself dude. Floyd KTFO of the guy you said he wouldn't fight because he couldn't beat.

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters. The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter. This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure. Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather. Feel free to point my observation wrong. You have some good points but your argument is problematic because PWill, Margs and Manny don't jab or fight like ODH or cotto. Most people in boxing suggest a fighter with a strong jab and not a pressure fighter would do bst against floyd. I think the criticism for PWill, margs and manny is mostly because here on NSB posters always say the guys he didn't fight are the guys who would beat him. Like you, they cite these fighters offense. But a fight isn't just about offense. All of these fighters would have their workrate reduced when in with floyd. All of these fighters do their best work in close-which floyd could negate with his reach-save for PWill who didn't use his reach to his advantage. i would have loved to see all of these fights. I just hope that any analysis of these fantasy fights is complete. It cant just be these guys throw alot so they'd beat floyd.

Floyd has not only not fought proper pressure fighters, he also gets more protection than he should, so that the pressure fighters cant be at their best, cos the ref is always on their case. Basically, Floyd has been cherry picking his whole career, but that is the worst kept secret in the world.

There is no right or wrong way to fight him. You just have to be smart, skilled and have a good game plan. Slow and flat footed will get your ass picked apart.

When you are talking about rounds lost over an entire career, That's fucking dominance right there'.

Margarito, Williams, Pacquiao, etc would have beaten him but muh health

Cotto appeared to have more success because of the style in which Floyd fought that night. You can't say for sure what marg or pwill would have down in a fight with FMJ. Only a few fighters have tried to actually fight their own fight or stick with their game plan in the ring with Floyd. Pwill had the best chance based on reach and pace but ring IQ...........And margarito......too slow and hittable. His face would be raggedy by the 6th.

I rewatched the Cotto fight and can see that Mayweather struggles more with a guy who cuts off the ring and puts the pressure on him. This was how both De La Hoya and Cotto had success. At the same time - neither of them are know to be effective pressure fighters. The only other closest thing would've been Ricky Hatton, but he's a mauler, more than a high-output fighter. This is why Floyd has been given heat for fighting these three fighters: Antonio Margarito, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao. They all have one thing in common - high punch output and pressure. Everyone Floyd has fought that I can remember have been boxer-punchers or boxers. There hasn't been someone who tried to go to war with him since Cotto and De La Hoya - the same two who have seen the most success against Mayweather. Feel free to point my observation wrong. You killed your entire argument by bringing the ODLH fight up at all. Floyd barely got out of third gear in that fight and Oscar did very little effective pressuring in that fight.

mayweather fought lots of pressure fighters and he eats them alive. damn near everyone who fights him thinks pressure is the key and he always picks them apart. cotto and DLH didnt have success because they applied pressure, they had success because of their defense. floyd dont waste punches, he looks for the perfect shot. if he struggles to land he wont move as much, if he can hit you he will take the points and move but if he cant he will stay in the pocket until he finds a spot to land in. because of their boxing pedigree. good fundamentals, busy jab and high boxing IQ. DLH and cotto were able to give floyd a difficult target which restricted his output while making him stand in front of them trying to find an opening, neither of them had much offensive success of their own though as very few punches actually got through but by keeping him in front of them and letting their hands go they made themselves look good compared to most mayweather victims before floyd eventually found the remedy to break through their defense without getting caught and picked them apart. margarito, williams and pacquiao would be much easier to hit so floyd would just take the points and move. margarito is waaaay too flat footed and slow, floyd would outbox him with ease and he has the stamina to maintain all night. tony wouldnt be able to hit floyd enough to wear him down and he doesnt have the power to take him out with one punch or the skill, intelligence and speed to land it. floyd would pitch a shut out, no doubt in my mind. pacquiao would be outboxed easily as well, when someone doesnt stand in front of him manny cant put his punches together, he also struggles with distance and leaps in from too far away leaving himself exposed. when someone gives him angles he cant cut the ring off or use any angles himself so he just follows the guy around and tries to jump in with wild swings one or two at a time. floyds height, reach and sense of distance would be the story of the fight as he easily keeps manny at bay by circling and setting traps for an increasingly frustrated and sloppy pacquiao. pacquiao would be a sitting duck for floyds jabs and right hand leads. wide decision or late stoppage for floyd. williams is the only one who could give floyd trouble, he is the only one i can see getting off anything close to his usual amount of punches due to his legs. he became increasingly flat footed as his career progressed but early williams was very light on his feet and with his range he was capable of closing great distance while keeping his hands moving in the process (unlike manny). floyd ofcourse would have no choice but to be in wiliams' range due to his reach advantantage and williams was quick at WW. hes no mummy like margarito, hardly anyone ever managed to get in and out without being clipped against williams. i think floyd would beat him since williams is too easy to hit, but he would get clipped himself on a more regular basis than usual and have a long night keeping williams off him.

I agree with the first part of your post, not with the second. Cotto and De La Hoya had some success because of the way the put pressure, in my opinion. Floyd, and most fighters fighting in a philly shell, want two things: 1) Fight at an average/slow pace. 2) Set you up for a right hand. The body mechanics of the philly shell, if one masters the technique and can anticipate punches, make it very difficult to go under, around or on top of it. There are a few known counter measures, of course it's easier said than done against a guy like Floyd, but a certain approach usually helps. 1) Do not allow the 'philly shell' fighter to set the pace, so pressure is important. By pressure I do not mean mere volume, but feints, upper body movement, foot work. 2) Force the 'philly shell' to open up, and here comes the jab. The jab is 'the key' to open the door. If your jab lands, the philly shell will have to eventually open up. 3) Work angles. That is crucial at that level. You won't hit Floyd by standing in front of him and throw punches. Some call it "splitting". And again, the easist way to split a philly shell is by jabbing over their lead hand while keeping your head on the outside. You can keep your right hand up to protect you from a left hook, while they can't reach you with their right without either spinning or trying something akward. Of course, of the fighters you mentioned, the one who has/had the best shot is Manny. He is a southpaw, and although it's not crucial, it forces Floyd to change a few things. He is/was extremely fast of hand and foot, and moves in and out in from different angles. He circles you, doesn't normall stand in front of you. On the other hand, Manny is rather easy to set up for a right hand, and Floyd sets much more and better traps than JMM, is bigger, stronger, faster, has a longer reach and better chin. Second, Manny is not always the most disciplined of fighters, while in my opinion to beat Floyd you need to be extremely disciplined. You can't just lunge forward and let your hands go. That's a fight I'd still like to see, of course it's not the same as a few years back, but it'd still be interesting. Hell of a post all excellent points

My argument is that Cotto and De La Hoya were never known as high volume/pressure fighters, but they were the closest things in Mayweather's resume that resembled that kind of fighter. I still believe fighters that relentlessly throw 900+ punches per fight, like Williams, Margarito, and Pacquiao, would give Mayweather his greatest problems. That is, considering Cotto, Hatton (to a lesser extent), and De La Hoya weren't boxed to pieces like Guerrero and Canelo. I agree with the first part of your post, not with the second. Cotto and De La Hoya had some success because of the way the put pressure, in my opinion. Floyd, and most fighters fighting in a philly shell, want two things: 1) Fight at an average/slow pace. 2) Set you up for a right hand. The body mechanics of the philly shell, if one masters the technique and can anticipate punches, make it very difficult to go under, around or on top of it. There are a few known counter measures, of course it's easier said than done against a guy like Floyd, but a certain approach usually helps. 1) Do not allow the 'philly shell' fighter to set the pace, so pressure is important. By pressure I do not mean mere volume, but feints, upper body movement, foot work. 2) Force the 'philly shell' to open up, and here comes the jab. The jab is 'the key' to open the door. If your jab lands, the philly shell will have to eventually open up. 3) Work angles. That is crucial at that level. You won't hit Floyd by standing in front of him and throw punches. Some call it "splitting". And again, the easist way to split a philly shell is by jabbing over their lead hand while keeping your head on the outside. You can keep your right hand up to protect you from a left hook, while they can't reach you with their right without either spinning or trying something akward. Of course, of the fighters you mentioned, the one who has/had the best shot is Manny. He is a southpaw, and although it's not crucial, it forces Floyd to change a few things. He is/was extremely fast of hand and foot, and moves in and out in from different angles. He circles you, doesn't normall stand in front of you. On the other hand, Manny is rather easy to set up for a right hand, and Floyd sets much more and better traps than JMM, is bigger, stronger, faster, has a longer reach and better chin. Second, Manny is not always the most disciplined of fighters, while in my opinion to beat Floyd you need to be extremely disciplined. You can't just lunge forward and let your hands go. That's a fight I'd still like to see, of course it's not the same as a few years back, but it'd still be interesting.

Really Margarito and Williams can't hold JLC boots as good pressure fighters, Manny can't either but at least that isn't his game

Quote me on this, "Only a lucky ko punch beats Floyd Mayweather Jr."