Call For Immediate Rematch - Garcia vs Matthysse

Who else is there if he decides to stay at 140?

If Danny is moving up, regardless of whether it's for Mayweather or not, than an immediate rematch is unnecessary. If Garcia stays at 140, a Matthysse rematch is by far the best fight available unless Broner moves down.

First of all, I have always been a big Danny Garcia fan (I have always considered him underrated, and I picked him to KTFO Khan), and I am also a big fan of Lucas Matthysse. I have been adamantly calling for Danny to get his shot v FMJ, on more than one thread since his victory. I was happy for Team Garcia in victory, and felt that Matthysse put up a valiant effort that fell just short, thanks to Danny skills mixed in with the swing of fortune. Then I went back and studied the fight. As a result I am calling for an immediate rematch. I hope that all reading this will go back and study the fight and decide for yourselves. Originally, I had Danny winning by 114-113, on the strength of a two point 11th round as a result of the KD: 1. 10-9 Danny 2. 9-10 Lucas 3. 10-9 Danny 4. 10-9 Danny 5. 9-10 Lucas 6. 9-10 Lucas 7. 9-10 Lucas 8. 10-9 Danny 9. 10-9 Danny 10. 9-10 Lucas 11. 10-8 Danny 12. 9-10 Lucas Total = 114-113 Garcia After reviewng / studying the fight, I feel that it was a draw, because the 11th should have been 10-9 (not 10-8) Danny. I am not basing my call for a rematch on the fact that this was an extremely close fight, but rather on the following: 1. The referee was guilty of borderline criminal negligence for his failure to penalize Garcia earlier for his uncountable low blows. There should have been a point taken away no later than the 4th round, and Danny should possibly have been DQed for his actions, that most certainly effected his competitor's performance. I am a big Mares fan, but I felt his actions in Agbeko I were terrible and obviously a conscious strategy. There was an uproar after that fight, and Mares faced deserved criticism. Danny Garcia's performance was planned strategy that reached at least as bad a level as Mares' but in my opinion surpassed it. Team Garcia went in with the plan to hit Matthysse low and often, especially directly after being tagged. Danny consciously attacked Matthysse's lower hips, with special emphasis / focus on the lower right hip. The referee is to blame and he should be penalized for his performance. There were also several direct shots to the groin area. The only penalty dished out to Garcia was similar to NFL referees who allow holding by one team on every play, until the game is out of reach, in order to give a false sense of fairness. The low blows were completely over the line, from the 2nd round on. There should be an immediate rematch for this reason alone. 2. The 11th round KD was completely illegitimate. It was the result of an obvious pull behind the head by Danny that spun Matthysse into the ropes and entangled him. The ref allowed Danny to continue punching while Matthysse was entangled. It was not close. It was absolutely atrocious refereeing. Without that KD it is a 10-8 round (at least) for Matthysse. As it was, the entire round was completely dominated by Lucas, with the exception of the obviously illegitimate KD. Therefore I scored it 10-9 for Danny, though it should have been 10-8 for Lucas. Originally, I scored it 10-8, as I believe most did. Conclusion; with decent refereeing this fight would have had a much different outcome on the surface / obviously. 1. Lucas would not have had to absorb the ridiculous amount of low blows that under the best of circumstances would effect performance on the mobility and power levels. 2. The early point deduction would have made Team Garcia alter their game plan or face DQ. That does not mean that Matthysse necessarily would have won, just that we would have witnessed a fair contest. 3. This was worse than Mares v Agbeko I, and in that case an immediate rematch was demanded and took place. Maybe the same thing would happen as did in Mares v Agbeko II; Danny would be forced to win legitimately and put on a dominant performance. The fact is that ALL of the evidence is there for anyone who is objective to come to the conclusion that Lucas Matthysse deserves an immediate rematch. No way..:rofl: Man, what more do nonbelievers wanna see? The kid has whooped everybody ass he wasn't suppose to and has done it in a spectacular fashion. No reason to give Matthysse a rematch, hell Floyd didn't even want to fight him. Its time to jus stack the chips and make a real name for himself. PRPP :boxing:

I see what you're saying; you thought the fight was close only on paper. I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I thought most rounds were very competitive, but I do believe Garcia won a couple of rounds big. The one big round Matthysse had was nullified by the KD. Yea, it was close on the score cards but not so much for me in the ring. I was hard pressed to give a clear round to Lucas I wouldn't say Danny "turned Matthysse into a one dimensional fighter"; I'd say Lucas always was. Garcia showed some underrated skills and poise in taking advantage of Matthysse's shortcomings. Nonetheless, bro, I'd welcome a rematch. I think these two have good chemistry. If an old Morales got a rematch, I don't see why Lucas shouldn't. That's basically turning him into a one dimensional fighter. See, it's easy to say what you are going to do in the ring, but to do it is much harder. Everyone I talked to said Mathysse is a one dimensional fighter, but that one dimension is pretty hard to beat. He has dynamite in both hands, pressures well and has a great chin. So the game plan has been the same to beat him, just nobody could. Garcia came in an nullified his power with his boxing, got off first almost every time and threw combo's that kept Mathysse off balance. Very impressed with Garcia and I think he might be one of the most underrated fighters in the game today, along side Raymundo Beltran....that dude gets the shaft and no love.

Both these guys can go on to other exciting fights or fight each other......they are must see TV and I look forward to whoever they fight next. Garcia has really become one hell of a champ and it is very easy to see how he has improved each fight. Make 2-3 more defences of the title and he could emerge into the PFP top 10 rankings, if not sooner. He does a lot of clever things that often go unoticed and this last fight he gained a lot of respect from the Boxing world. His career is going to fun to watch over the years.

I believe I had it one point more than you but besides the score cards, I just think it was n't that close. Garcia dominated the fight, it was shocking to see the way he just took everything away from mathysse. I see what you're saying; you thought the fight was close only on paper. I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I thought most rounds were very competitive, but I do believe Garcia won a couple of rounds big. The one big round Matthysse had was nullified by the KD. He really turned Mathysse into a one dimensional fighter, which I been saying he is. great power, good at pressuring but hasn't faced a good boxer and we see now what happens when he did. I wouldn't say Danny "turned Matthysse into a one dimensional fighter"; I'd say Lucas always was. Garcia showed some underrated skills and poise in taking advantage of Matthysse's shortcomings. Nonetheless, bro, I'd welcome a rematch. I think these two have good chemistry. If an old Morales got a rematch, I don't see why Lucas shouldn't.

Interesting. What was your score? I had it 114-112 Garcia. Danny had a great game-plan and stuck to it. Not easy to do in the face of a hard puncher like Matthysse. I believe I had it one point more than you but besides the score cards, I just think it was n't that close. Garcia dominated the fight, it was shocking to see the way he just took everything away from mathysse. He really turned Mathysse into a one dimensional fighter, which I been saying he is. great power, good at pressuring but hasn't faced a good boxer and we see now what happens when he did.

wouldnt mind seeing a rematch i had garcia up by 2

Had it not been for that bullsht knock down matthyse would of won on the judges score cards. That was a 3 point swing matthyse was winning that round big

Wasn't close on my score cards. I was one of the few people here that picked Danny as an unbiased fan. People sleep on Garcia and I think he basically dominated Mathysse. He took his power away, was almost always first and out boxed him easily. Interesting. What was your score? I had it 114-112 Garcia. Danny had a great game-plan and stuck to it. Not easy to do in the face of a hard puncher like Matthysse.

i love it :lol1::lol1:

It was a close, entertaining fight. Because of that, I would love to see Garcia-Matthysse II. But it's Danny's call. I don't blame him if he moves up. He has every right to. Wasn't close on my score cards. I was one of the few people here that picked Danny as an unbiased fan. People sleep on Garcia and I think he basically dominated Mathysse. He took his power away, was almost always first and out boxed him easily.

It was a good close fight but danny won and deserves Floyd. If that cant be made then a rematch is a very good thing

Why? Lucas will lose again and you will still make excuses.

I wouldn't object to a rematch, but Garcia owes Matthysse nothing. He clearly won, and the officiating wasn't nearly as outrageous as the Matthysse worshippers are making it out to be. Khan's SD loss to Peterson was much more questionable with him being deducted 2 points for pushing and Peterson getting away with leading with his head all night, but when Khan demanded an immediate rematch, people called him a sore loser and a clown.

Lucas would get outboxed again in a rematch. Stop crying.

First of all, I have always been a big Danny Garcia fan (I have always considered him underrated, and I picked him to KTFO Khan), and I am also a big fan of Lucas Matthysse. I have been adamantly calling for Danny to get his shot v FMJ, on more than one thread since his victory. I was happy for Team Garcia in victory, and felt that Matthysse put up a valiant effort that fell just short, thanks to Danny skills mixed in with the swing of fortune. Then I went back and studied the fight. As a result I am calling for an immediate rematch. I hope that all reading this will go back and study the fight and decide for yourselves. Originally, I had Danny winning by 114-113, on the strength of a two point 11th round as a result of the KD: 1. 10-9 Danny 2. 9-10 Lucas 3. 10-9 Danny 4. 10-9 Danny 5. 9-10 Lucas 6. 9-10 Lucas 7. 9-10 Lucas 8. 10-9 Danny 9. 10-9 Danny 10. 9-10 Lucas 11. 10-8 Danny 12. 9-10 Lucas Total = 114-113 Garcia After reviewng / studying the fight, I feel that it was a draw, because the 11th should have been 10-9 (not 10-8) Danny. I am not basing my call for a rematch on the fact that this was an extremely close fight, but rather on the following: 1. The referee was guilty of borderline criminal negligence for his failure to penalize Garcia earlier for his uncountable low blows. There should have been a point taken away no later than the 4th round, and Danny should possibly have been DQed for his actions, that most certainly effected his competitor's performance. I am a big Mares fan, but I felt his actions in Agbeko I were terrible and obviously a conscious strategy. There was an uproar after that fight, and Mares faced deserved criticism. Danny Garcia's performance was planned strategy that reached at least as bad a level as Mares' but in my opinion surpassed it. Team Garcia went in with the plan to hit Matthysse low and often, especially directly after being tagged. Danny consciously attacked Matthysse's lower hips, with special emphasis / focus on the lower right hip. The referee is to blame and he should be penalized for his performance. There were also several direct shots to the groin area. The only penalty dished out to Garcia was similar to NFL referees who allow holding by one team on every play, until the game is out of reach, in order to give a false sense of fairness. The low blows were completely over the line, from the 2nd round on. There should be an immediate rematch for this reason alone. 2. The 11th round KD was completely illegitimate. It was the result of an obvious pull behind the head by Danny that spun Matthysse into the ropes and entangled him. The ref allowed Danny to continue punching while Matthysse was entangled. It was not close. It was absolutely atrocious refereeing. Without that KD it is a 10-8 round (at least) for Matthysse. As it was, the entire round was completely dominated by Lucas, with the exception of the obviously illegitimate KD. Therefore I scored it 10-9 for Danny, though it should have been 10-8 for Lucas. Originally, I scored it 10-8, as I believe most did. Conclusion; with decent refereeing this fight would have had a much different outcome on the surface / obviously. 1. Lucas would not have had to absorb the ridiculous amount of low blows that under the best of circumstances would effect performance on the mobility and power levels. 2. The early point deduction would have made Team Garcia alter their game plan or face DQ. That does not mean that Matthysse necessarily would have won, just that we would have witnessed a fair contest. 3. This was worse than Mares v Agbeko I, and in that case an immediate rematch was demanded and took place. Maybe the same thing would happen as did in Mares v Agbeko II; Danny would be forced to win legitimately and put on a dominant performance. The fact is that ALL of the evidence is there for anyone who is objective to come to the conclusion that Lucas Matthysse deserves an immediate rematch. Danny clearly won that fight dude. I have also noticed that people who start a thread in NSB with something like "First of all I'm a Danny Garcia fan" ALWAYS then proceed to spend the rest of their post highlighting their dislike for said fighter.

Nah not the right time to do a rematch. It was a clear win for garcia. What would be the angle to sell a rematch? It was a good fight but it was far from FOTY which surprised me. Let matthyse win a few fights and maybe they will eventually cross paths again.

It was a close, entertaining fight. Because of that, I would love to see Garcia-Matthysse II. But it's Danny's call. I don't blame him if he moves up. He has every right to.

Enough with the BS rematches to create fake ass trilogies. Matts lost. Move up to 147 or go back down to 140 and beat another top 140lber. Rematch zab or devon, sure. But no need for a danny rematch.