better than Floyd anymore?
I can't think of a fighter that would, without a doubt beat Floyd anymore.
The guys upper body movement, spacing, and counter punching leaves me to believe that every fighter in the history of boxing fights his fight, and he ends up with a SD at worst with every fighter in his weight category.
The only guy I think could potentially beat Floyd is, Tommy Hearns.
I just witnessed 36 year old man, look better than I've ever seen him, going up against a guy that outweighed him by 15 lbs. and way younger, and hungry. Also, Canelo is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination.
Discuss.
True indeed but how does Floyd land on Hearns? Just stylistically it is a bad bad matchup for FMJ.
One of Floyd's best traits is his ability to avoid being hit by more than 1 punch at a time. If you don't have the power to take him out in one punch (like Mosley) then you aren't taking him out period.
Yes there is no real answer , you asked how the most accurate fighter in history is going to land , I agree with you one punch can take Floyd out but its very hard to land and follow up , if you count the many 1000s of punches thrown at him by world champions only 2 shots really hurt him and he adjusted and survived brilliantly , the guys ring IQ is amazing .
Same deal if you cant land on Floyd you lose , when you look at the matchups looking at Floyds strengths , Floyd could possibly beat them all , all the ATGs are supposed KO Floyd but you got to land clean to do it , Im starting to think they might not be able to .
True indeed but how does Floyd land on Hearns? Just stylistically it is a bad bad matchup for FMJ.
One of Floyd's best traits is his ability to avoid being hit by more than 1 punch at a time. If you don't have the power to take him out in one punch (like Mosley) then you aren't taking him out period.
Still Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns because he actually makes Floyd change how he is comfortable fighting. Floyd can't outbox TH so he would have to do what he did against Zab, pressure, deflect, and stalk him. He'd lose rounds trying to get to him and I am not sure he has the pop to take him out.
Same deal if you cant land on Floyd you lose , when you look at the matchups looking at Floyds strengths , Floyd could possibly beat them all , all the ATGs are supposed KO Floyd but you got to land clean to do it , Im starting to think they might not be able to .
Still Thomas "The Hitman" Hearns because he actually makes Floyd change how he is comfortable fighting. Floyd can't outbox TH so he would have to do what he did against Zab, pressure, deflect, and stalk him. He'd lose rounds trying to get to him and I am not sure he has the pop to take him out.
better than Floyd anymore?
I can't think of a fighter that would, without a doubt beat Floyd anymore.
The guys upper body movement, spacing, and counter punching leaves me to believe that every fighter in the history of boxing fights his fight, and he ends up with a SD at worst with every fighter in his weight category.
The only guy I think could potentially beat Floyd is, Tommy Hearns.
I just witnessed 36 year old man, look better than I've ever seen him, going up against a guy that outweighed him by 15 lbs. and way younger, and hungry. Also, Canelo is no slouch by any stretch of the imagination.
Discuss.
Don't think anyone should take any of your posts seriously anymore. You spend the months prior to Garcia/Matthysse on Team Matthysse and trashing Garcia every chance you can get. Then on one post to cover your tracks you say that you were just trolling the whole time and that it will be a 60/40 fight. And now you are Team Garcia with the avatar.
Stop being a bandwagon groupie.
Closed systems like boxing aren't nature. In nature, evolution takes place over hundreds of thousands of years not a few short decades. Human beings as biological entities aren't any superior to humans of 50 years ago.....or a hundred. Boxing is a very narrow, closed system where knowledge peaked out quite a long time ago. There isn't anything new to learn that isn't already known. That's the nature of closed systems. If anything, there needs to be a relearning of things that have been lost over the past 20 or so years. So Floyd has learned from Joe Walcott? So what? So did Ray Leonard. Neither Ray nor Floyd improved on what they learned from Walcott. They simply copied it and modified it to best fit their natural abilities. And that's what ALL fighters do: Adapt what they learn to what best works for them as an individual. That doesn't make it superior, that just makes it unique to their unique needs.
I am going to have to further disagree with you if you are saying knowledge is peaked to the point where nothing else can be learned. I feel like there's always something to be learned. There's just too many elements in boxing for there to be no room for knowledge. Sure evolution (if we are talking about monkey's to human) would take thousands of years. But in a 200 year old sport (in terms of prizefighting), just judging from the way fighters fought back then to now, I'd say fighters definitely evolved from 50 years ago. Back in the ancient Greek times, it just started off as 2 guys punching each other in the face. Now we see things like technique, angles, the discipline, the ring IQ's, what they put in their bodies (Basically the sweet science). As long as there are more things to be learned about the human body (which there is), fighters will continue to change. Trust me, boxing is evolving. Maybe at a slower pace now because a lot of the main things are already known.
These are some great fighters!
agreed. they're also big WW with speed who could really punch.
there are other great WW, certainly, but i don't pick them to knock floyd mayweather out the way i pick those three to do so. i'd pick many of them to lose.
Horsesh1t. Do you understand that?
btw, the only thing that's being reloaded by you is your crackpipe.
I laugh at you guys coming back on empty , if its horsesh1t it should be easy for you prove , but you never can .
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These are some great fighters!
Yeah, guys like Joe Louis and George Foreman didn't have any power. Right.
You just keep smoking that good stuff Junior.
No the average of the sport didn't have much power , you don't understand what Im saying to you .
Boxing isn't a body building contest. If it were then Ken Norton >>>>> Floyd.
No thats bodybuilding to stand there and look big , boxing today and modern day combat is about balancing extremes .
Maximum speed balanced with maximum power balanced with maximum endurance .
Old school was about maximum endurance , work work work , that's why so many of them were rough and tough but no power , look at the modern fighter crack , god dam they snap them out precisely today like missiles .
Boxing started of as a fist fight , the casual male fan is still in that upbringing of don't turn the other cheek stand your ground be strong you sissy , be the man , punch his head in , wind up toy mentality ,,,,,,, don't worry you lost son you gave it your all , that's all fcked up philosophy , this is not what prizefighting is about , not if you want to rule , you got to be smart , being the mug tough guy is not smart .
Science in nutrition and sports training has evolved in leaps and bounds in all sports not just boxing , all records are being broken .
Those old time guys if you could beam them in to the now , in their old condition against the modern conditioned fighter , they gunna get blasted back to where they came from , or a beating like they never got before , the sustained power game of today has come a long long way , the tight crisp explosive nature of the modern fighter , was not there till the 70s , the biggest real influence in the transition was more to do with nutrition than training , they didn't know a 10th about performance feeding way back .
Dude. You aren't living in the Matrix. And btw, they were sparring for 20 rounds for a 15 round fight and this after doing 6 miles of roadwork in the morning. You're obviously pretty damn ignorant about how fighters used to prepare for fights.
Sorry, but sports science isn't turning today's fighters into bionic supermen. Your generation isn't superior to generations past and the sooner you figure that out the better. If anything boxing has DEvolved as too many skills that past generations had are lost today.
I'm not trying to be ignorant of anything. I just understand that fighters evolve. Sure I may be wrong about how many rounds they sparred. I'm sure there were people who sparred 50 rounds for a 15 round fight back then. Who knows? But fighters will find more effective ways to train. I'm not trying to say my generation is superior to any other generation. What I'm trying to say is, I understand nature. It's natural for fighters to be better than what they once were. Is that wrong? Guess what, the best fighter in the next generation will probably be better than Floyd. In fact, I'm counting on it. It's natural for fighters to learn from the ones that came before them. Not only will the future learn from fighters like SRR, Leonard, Ali, but now Floyd Mayweather. You can think I'm ignorant or whatever, but if I say a fighter of now can learn things from the fighters of the past, than I see it as respect to them.
You do know that styles make fights right?
In relation to who ? what fight are you talking about ?
Are you trying to say because Juan was schooled by Floyd doesn't mean Manny will be ?
I agree with that , but because its Floyd fighting Manny , that's the reason I feel Floyd will school Manny , what he did to Juan only bolsters what I already know , what he did to Canelo only bolsters what I already know , Ive been saying this from the beginning .
Floyd will school Manny , you will see if they ever square up .
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