Mitchell is the perfect example of football tough, being different from boxing tough

It's NFL Sunday and America is shook. :bottle:

Yes it's impossible to tell if someone would be any good at fighting without them actually fighting. A bank manager in New York could have been the greatest fighter ever if he had trained from a young age, we'll never know. The NFL is a BS excuse.

nobody is saying that American networks aren't looking for american HW. american networks looking for american fighters is something a child cries about. what's being said is that wilder and mitchell are talented, and they are not unique. there are hundreds, if not thousands of mitchells and wilders. do you think mitchell would have been on hbo if he didn't win his first 20 or so fights? keep on crying, though. and in between sob sessions, can you actually watch an NBA or NFL game? a history of the HW world championship. notice the american flags. i don't expect any of you to actually care about the history of the sport, but here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heavyweight_boxing_champions of the consensus top 10 HW of all time, there is one non american, lennox lewis. the rest are american big men. :crying: I don't know where you get this crying bit from. This is merely a discussion about the myth that exists among american boxing fans. If anyone is crying, its the ones going on and on about how this sport and that sport are taking away from american heavyweights. The toughness required for boxing is completely different than that of football and basketball. Why is that so hard to understand?

How do you know they dont? LOL that's the point man, I can't beat this drum to death anymore. You just don't get it and refuse to get it. Look, the world has caught up, but let's not act as if America doesn't produce great athletes the world over. Everyone calls American fat and stupid, yet they continue to dominate in the Olympics and on the world stage. The reality is, boxing is NOT mainstream in America anymore. Kids aren't lining up to fight in gyms, they are out there wanting to be the next great quarterback, running back or great basketball player. This generation is weak compared to the one's past, there's no doubt about that. That also doesn't mean there aren't still young, good, strong, tough kids in America. There are, just fewer and farther between. That's my point, you have to play the percentages. The more kids want to box, the more chances you will find the next Ali, Frazier or Joe Lewis. Right now you have a better chance of finding the next Kobe Bryant. Why do you think Mexico keeps producing great fighters? Because boxing is still mainstream in Mexico and it's in the heart of the people and culture. It's not like that in the U.S anymore, sorry but it's not. Why do you keep bringing up stuff I have never even said anthing about?

He's an ex college football linebacker and a professional boxer. Yet the dude is not tough...LOL He says this mind you from his nice comfy home and computer chair. Usually people that don't understand what it's like to make a living punching other people and getting punched say things like this. Much respect to Seth Mitchel for making it this far. See, you don't even get the point of the thread, and you have the audacity to comment on it. I didn't say outright that Seth isn't tough, I made it quite clear that there is a difference between football tough, and boxing tough. Here, you can read it again, and this time, point out where I said Mitchell isn't tough. Spare me with all that noise about how if you take an NFL player, rewind his life and put him in boxing as a kid, that somehow he'll be dominant. NO. Its not going to happen. Being big and tough in football, doesn't translate to boxing. I know Seth didn't train since he was a kid, but you see what he lacks, a chin for one, and boxing toughness for another. Dude was visibly shaken when he stood across from Chris at the refs instructions. Football tough, is completely different than boxing and fighting tough. One guy here has the perfect avi. It shows other athletes in their sports pretending to be hurt, and the boxer, bloody and beat, pretending not to be hurt. Bottom line, the great american heavyweight, is not in the NFL. Put that tired and lame argument to rest.

You know wilder medaled in the olympics right? he is way more well taught and experienced than mitchell. If wilder keeps on working hard he will be a problem for any heavyweight. Yea? Wow. So tell me more about Clarence Vinson, Terrance Cauthen, Ricardo Williams and Roshii Wells. Winning a medal at the Olympics is no guarantee of success. The biggest success from an american Olympic medal winner is Andre Ward, who most don't even truly care for, and Andre Dirrell, who most people like even less.

LMFAO at Seth Mitchell, Deaonty Wilder gonna go through the same thing when he steps up his competition You know wilder medaled in the olympics right? he is way more well taught and experienced than mitchell. If wilder keeps on working hard he will be a problem for any heavyweight.

LMFAO at Seth Mitchell, Deaonty Wilder gonna go through the same thing when he steps up his competition

Sorry but he has no chin. Period.

You seen my HW we have in the gym. He's an ex Penn State DT and now he's got 7 amateur fights, 6-1 with 5 ko's. We know the risks of turning him pro. He will KO a lot of dudes early, but it's up to his skill level to where he will go against the better competition. i have. dude's a f#cking dump truck. how old is he?

mitchell is tough, thats never been the issue. the issue is his lack of skills and punch resistance. one being because he started too late and the other is just a lack of natural born ability.

Mitchell started boxing late in his life, now if he'd boxing as a child it's a different story. Of course he's going to be amateurish, he had 10 amateur fights and stepped up early AF. Guess who this is: http://therecord.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c465d53ef010536933c57970c-pi he's Lennox Lewis :) (probably somebody beat me to that, haven't read every post in this thread). Back to topic, Obviously, if there were more people boxing since a young age, there would be a better chance to find a talented fighter. It's probability theory, or probability distribution if you prefer. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily imply that a potentially great american HW is now in the NFL instead of boxing, that's pure speculation. Boxing is much less US-centered nowadays, it's something rather obvious in my opinion. Saying that the HW champion is Ukranian because Americans are playing (american) footballl is like saying that Brazil didn't win the football world cup in the last 10 years because young brazilian guys are more into capoeira.

Preparing yourself up to run a play which is going to follow a structure and be over within 30 seconds or so must be a very different thing to preparing for a boxing match where you don't really know what's going to happen.

Truth hurts don't it biotch? http://i40.tinypic.com/2gxkbc6.jpg

The truth is football players just aren't athletic enough. The big, bulky, explosive freaks you see in football like Rob Gronkowski or Demarcus Ware couldn't play any other sport

If you grow up boxing you can develop a chin. No, you don't. In fact, science contradicts what you say. Once you have a concussion you are more likely to suffer another. Khan has been boxing since 11. Prescott rocked Khan with a jab after Khan had been "developing" his chin for 11 years. Rahman started boxing at 20. He only got knocked out, controversially, in his 30th fight and that was against Tua. The huge-hitting Tua couldn't even knock Rahman off his feet, even though Rahman had only been "developing" his chin for 6 years. In short, the OP is 100% correct and you're 100% wrong.

Don't even waste your time on a red k'd pu*sy ALT. Only butthurt posters as yourself get offended at da truuf.

America is shook. Can't produce a solid HW. Maybe they can try to claim Stiverne.

Truth hurts don't it biotch? Don't even waste your time on a red k'd pu*sy ALT.

Bottom line, the great american heavyweight, is not in the NFL. Put that tired and lame argument to rest. Saying that none of them could have been great fighters under any circumstances is plain ignorant.