Roy Jones jr overrated

Fake thread. People taking the bait like knobs.

:haha: :rofl: :haha: Wait, let me catch my breath :rofl: We may not agree on alot when it comes to floyd and roy,,, but we agree on this,,, in no way did roy ever dodge Calzaghe,,, Calzaghe didnt even establish a big name till after roy was at lhw,,,,, eubanks, collins and benn were at least established champs when roy hit the scene,,,,, roy ducking calzaghe is funny, but retarded

I am a fan of Calzaghe and Calzaghe exposed roy just like he would have done in his prime, just like Lewis and Evander would have exposed tyson earlier in his prime. You are a ****ing idiot.

i don't know man...i watched a lot of those 90's fights, and after jones whitewashed toney, seemed like nobody was calling him out (now everybody seems to have called him out 15 years later)...jones vs. gerald m. was the natural next big fight, but never came to fruition due to gerald m. losing to benn the way he did... jones vs. nunn was low risk, low reward imo, due to nunn being ko'd by toney, and jones having already whitewashed toney, and the euro dudes i think were hell bent on roy jones bowing down to their terms when roy was #1 p4p... by right, jones could have sat @ 168 for years and waited for guys like de la hoya, trinidad, to move up enough to make big $ catchweight fights, but... he moved up to lightheavy...i take wins on griffin, hill, reggie johnson, and maybe 1 or 2 more, as the more respectable wins there, yeah there were some stinkers in there, but even the atg's have those...i say one thing his win on hopkins looks that much greater given hopkins longevity in the sport of boxing...roy jones...solid atg in my book a notch below srl, duran, hearns, and marvelous marv...

Good Post,,, you really nailed it about how roy was very good but didnt challenge himself,,, Great summary of roy's career thanks man I just think Roy is the biggest, most frustrating athlete I've ever witnessed. He had the tools to be mentioned in the same breath as Ali or Robinson but now...if he only had that fighting heart some of the others did. If he had looked for those dangerous opponents he could have been something special because I'm of the opinion, head to head, he would have beaten almost every fighter from 160-175 throughout the 90s. Eubank would have been his trickiest proposition. Benn and McC's power may have troubled him but that's it really. Sadly, coulda shoulda doesn't earn you accolades :frown:

I think this thread gives you the perfect idea of how most people view Roy Jones Junior, as either invincible (which is a huge statement as he rarely fought anyone who could challenge him) or as someone who was "exposed" and not very good in the first place (another silly statement considering Jones toyed with guys who would have given other "names" a hell of a lot of trouble). The truth of Jones, lies somewhere in the middle. Roy Jones was one of the most naturally gifted athletes anywhere on the planet, I used the word athlete because I'm not just talking about boxing here, I'm talking about all sport. Football, rugby, cricket, track and field, baseball, tennis, basketball....I could go on and on, there were few sportsmen as naturally gifted as a young Roy Jones, the problem lies with what he did with that talent. As Michael Jordan smashed records in the NBA and Ronaldo became a goal scoring phenom against the elite of European football, RJ was content with playing in the second tier, the minor leagues if you may. Other great fighters (ATG is a tag we all love using so much) who were maybe less naturally gifted than Jones seaked out the biggest challenges, they may not have always done it consistently (Floyd Mayweather) and may not have always been successful (Oscar De La Hoya) but they did it. That is an important aspect, it's like Neymar refusing to go to Barcelona and happy scoring goals at a phenomenal rate against weaker Brazilian clubs. Every great boxer, like any great athlete, especially one as gifted as Jones, must challenge themselves, more so than the "average joes" why? Because they are judged by a higher standard. Would you like to see a season of football where Manchester United regularly played Accrington Stanley? Jones throughout the 90s, a time when he was in his absolute prime, challenged himself a grand total of 2 times. That's just not good enough and as the new millennium dawned he challenged himself one last time, against a second rate heavyweight champion. The performance was terrific, but was the opposition? Jones' list of accomplishments, when tallied after he eventually retires, will make for some good reading but there will always be an asterix behind almost all his title wins, should he have fought other names in his division? Why didn't he? It's all well and good saying he "would" have beaten them anyway but sport isn't decided by what could have happened, it's based on what does happen. Good Post,,, you really nailed it about how roy was very good but didnt challenge himself,,, Great summary of roy's career

I think this thread gives you the perfect idea of how most people view Roy Jones Junior, as either invincible (which is a huge statement as he rarely fought anyone who could challenge him) or as someone who was "exposed" and not very good in the first place (another silly statement considering Jones toyed with guys who would have given other "names" a hell of a lot of trouble). The truth of Jones, lies somewhere in the middle. Roy Jones was one of the most naturally gifted athletes anywhere on the planet, I used the word athlete because I'm not just talking about boxing here, I'm talking about all sport. Football, rugby, cricket, track and field, baseball, tennis, basketball....I could go on and on, there were few sportsmen as naturally gifted as a young Roy Jones, the problem lies with what he did with that talent. As Michael Jordan smashed records in the NBA and Ronaldo became a goal scoring phenom against the elite of European football, RJ was content with playing in the second tier, the minor leagues if you may. Other great fighters (ATG is a tag we all love using so much) who were maybe less naturally gifted than Jones seaked out the biggest challenges, they may not have always done it consistently (Floyd Mayweather) and may not have always been successful (Oscar De La Hoya) but they did it. That is an important aspect, it's like Neymar refusing to go to Barcelona and happy scoring goals at a phenomenal rate against weaker Brazilian clubs. Every great boxer, like any great athlete, especially one as gifted as Jones, must challenge themselves, more so than the "average joes" why? Because they are judged by a higher standard. Would you like to see a season of football where Manchester United regularly played Accrington Stanley? Jones throughout the 90s, a time when he was in his absolute prime, challenged himself a grand total of 2 times. That's just not good enough and as the new millennium dawned he challenged himself one last time, against a second rate heavyweight champion. The performance was terrific, but was the opposition? Jones' list of accomplishments, when tallied after he eventually retires, will make for some good reading but there will always be an asterix behind almost all his title wins, should he have fought other names in his division? Why didn't he? It's all well and good saying he "would" have beaten them anyway but sport isn't decided by what could have happened, it's based on what does happen.

his athletism and speed were not overated. But the fact that he was on PEDs raises question marks so yes he was overated. He wasn't a great technician and he didn't put combinaions together as Pac. So he isn't as great as Pac, but still very good.

Jones fought guys that were the mandatories or highly ranked guys, they just weren't really on his level, kind of like most of Mayweather's fights. On paper, they were the best guys available but in the ring, Roy was pretty incredible to watch. He demolished opposition while Floyd typically outboxes guys. Roy humiliated opposition in every sense. Didn't see OP mentioning how he beat a prime James Toney or beat a PRIME BHOP. I would have liked to see the Calzaghe fight earlier than I did but it just wasn't meant to be.

I think the only thing overrated is roy's resume,,,,, he had amazing skills, amazing fighter but his resume is very soft for an ATG Ali found ways to fight the very best OScar did as well SRL same thing Pernell always fought the best,,, But roy was content to coast for a decade after the toney fight,,,, His resume is clearly overrated,,, not his skills, just his resume,, Not having Eubanks, collins, benn, G-man, Michlewski, Nunn, Liles on his resume greatly hurts his legacy,,,, Not saying he had to fight all those guys, but none of them is really harmful to the resume,,, I would have been happy if he had just fought liles and collins,,,, that would have been enough for me,, but he never landed any of those fights even though he was p4p #1 and the money man of those divisions, plus had HBO behind him,,, Oscar, manny, floyd, lennox all were able to land the big fights with that same setup,,,

I don't get the point of such obvious trolling.

Roy in his prime was a very special fighter. Not overrated at all.

Jones was p4p 1 The onus was on pretenders like Calzaghe to take on the Ion in his den... Hatton did it.. But Calzaghe was a conscious fraudster

If you were around in the 90s then you would know that Roy Jones didn't have any competition in his era, he was that much better than everybody else to where the only demand of him was to keep moving up and facing bigger men which he did ultimately fighting a Heavyweight. Benn, Eubank, Collins, were some across the pond fighters that most Americans hadn't even heard of. Fighting in Europe wasn't even seen as a cool or smart thing to do for US fighters in the 1990s, so for Roy, a man of his time, to fight these guys in England or Europe would of been unheard of. Did Benn, Collins, Eubank fight Roy, BHop, and James Toney. If not then its they who are overrated, right? 1. i have been around alot longer than the 90's 2. You make all the excuses you want, the fact doesnt change that roy didnt fight the best available guys,,, G-man fought benn,,, so fighting euro's wasnt crazy,,, lewis fought all the american heavys in the 90's... hatton and calzaghe, kessler, froch have all found ways to fight competition from across the pond,,,, 3. Forget about the euros,,, what about the domestic fights,, champion G-man, champ Liles who was roy jones amateur nemesis, nunn who was roy's mandatory,,, all big fights and easy to make 4. THe hopkins fight was only big in hindsight,,, at the time hopkins as an unknown on the big stage,,, thats who he got the fight,,, he wasnt thought of very highly at the time,,, 5. Toney was a great win for roy,,, no doubt about that,,, then roy didnt have another great win till the ruiz fight at heavy,,,, 6. Once again,, who did brannon, byrd, sosa, lucas, frazier, etc beat to earn a fight vs roy...... IM STILL WAITING FOR THAT ANSWER 7. You should just realize that roy was a great fighter, but didnt test himself like other great fighters have done ala srl, ali, oscar,,,, Roy is a great fighter but his resume is very soft for a guy of his skills,,, I dont know how one can debate that,,,

Benn, Eubank,Collins...none are on Roy Jones level and were never thought of to be on his level.....but I wasn't aware that a fighter is suppose to fight every boxer in his era or heaven forbid he's overrated. You never answered the question,,,, who did byrd, brannon, frazier, etc beat to become a big fight for roy,,,, ANSWER PLEASE..... I dont care if roy fought all of them, but at least maybe 2 or 3,,, can you imagine ali not fighting frazier, foreman, norton,, or srl not fighting benetiz, duran, hearns, or oscar not fighting vargas, tito, ike, pernell, shane, hopkins, floyd, manny ATG fighters fight other great fighters,,,,, Roy was a great fighter,, but in terms of ATG resume,, he is very soft,,, And for the record, i would favor roy over everyone i mentioned, but i think collins and liles would be the toughest fights just due to their style,,, Roy's talent is great, but he never did what other great fighters did, that is to fight the absolute best,,,

Jones wasn't a career smw, when he never got the fights he wanted he moved up too light heavy which is what people are screaming for ward to do because all other options have run out.. Too hint at jones being a coward/duck is ignorant considering the guy was so calm he played basketball before world title fights LOL,, when your fighting guys with no hope, then yes you could take a basketball game the same day,,,, So your saying that benn, G-man, Eubanks, Collins, Nunn, Liles were too scared to get a career high payday,,, Roy didnt move to lightheavy till nunn became his mandatory,, he would rather fight an ancient great jr mid 40+ year old maccallum Liles beat roy in the amateurs and was his nemesis in the amateur ranks,, yet liles would be scared of a guy that he gave 2 standing 8 counts to in an amateur fight,,, GTFOOH Not trying to say roy is a bum or hype,,, but he dodged alot of meaningful fights,,,, He was floyd before there was floyd,,, actually i think floyd has a way better resume in terms of competition faced,,, Roy had ATG type talent,, but his resume gets overblown and overrated,,,

And who did any of them beat thats on Roy Jones level? Who did any of them fight thats on Roy Jones level? um, how about each other,,, ever heard of say benn-eubanks 1 benn-eubanks 2 benn-collins collins-eubanks 1 collins-eubanks 2 benn-g-man etc conversely,, who did brannon, bryd, sosa, lucas, frazier, etc beat to deserve a shot at roy,,, please tell me their great wins,,,, IM DYING TO KNOW

by dominant a decade you mean wins over vinny paz, byrd, lucas, brannon, frazier, del valle, ancient mccallum, griffith, telesco, johnson, hall, then yes he dominated a decade,,, if you mean he beat all the top guys like benn, G-man, eubanks, nunn, michlewski, liles, collins,,, then no he didnt dominant a decade,,, Jones wasn't a career smw, when he never got the fights he wanted he moved up too light heavy which is what people are screaming for ward to do because all other options have run out.. Too hint at jones being a coward/duck is ignorant considering the guy was so calm he played basketball before world title fights

How do I apply for a Moderators job here? Or Janitors gig, theres some cleaning up to do before the "adults" get bored with the BS threads by kids and leave! Then there is no forum just a bunch of trolls and haters who think boxing is a sport not a business! Personally I'm tired of the threads showing up and think some forum cleaning and educating is due! Ray Corso

lmao,,, yes you are right,, and the funny thing would be there would be posters saying hagler was just hype,,, Yep. That's the way it always goes.