Here's my take on a list over the greatest jabs in the history of the heavyweight division.
1. Sonny Liston (people got their teeth knocked out by his jab) - he had that jab that really smashed his opponents head back.
2. Larry Holmes - Not as powerful as Liston's but look at the Norton fight how he doubled and tripled that powerful left hand in quick succession. Nobody does that nowadays or since.
3. Prime Riddick Bowe - Probably more powerful than Holmes' jab, but not as quick. It was a hammer, look at his fights vs Holyfield and Tyrell Biggs as an example. Even when he was fat and out of shape vs Golota he still had an awesome jab.
4. Muhammad Ali* - Probably the quickest jab in history, but thrown technically bad. He really developed his jab late in his career, as in after Liston, where he started to understand the true value of the jab. he threw it from the side, almost with side of his hand, but started to get the grasp of it just before he was put in excile.
5. George Foreman - Hugely underrated jabber. Look at his fights vs Tommy Morrison, Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer as examples. Smashed it right in their faces, like a straight right. Also developed late in his career, as in after his comeback.
NOTE: *Ali could arguably take 3rd. And notables that missed out were Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Wlad 00-05.
What do you think?
Ali IMO, closely followed by Liston.
agree.......
heavy jabs of course looks devastating when delivered dead center...
but jabs are meant to set-up other blows....
in fact, jabs that "missed" could have just set-up the blows that put an end to a bout....
Wow Andrew,you created a poll to troll Wladimir's name every time somebody mentions his name !
This is becoming an obsession to you.that Haye loss against Wlad must have really pained your anus.
fi he wanted to troll Wlads name why did he include Wlad in the poll? No my friend, actually its a really good idea for a thread, I am surprised we haven't had one yet.
And debate from other threads should, always has and always will lead to new discussions with or without the Klitschko police trying to pretend it shouldnt happen just because it shows Wlad's deficiencies up.
Probably Holmes. I loved Ali's jab tho. He kept it in your face while he himself made it his business not to be in your face as much as possible. Superb boxer
between ali, holmes, and liston
ali's an odd case. his jab was best when he could get on his toes, and that was generally pre layoff. post layoff he had his best wins, but his jab had lost osme of it's effectiveness. he spend a lot of time on the ropes and holding.
liston had the hardest jab, and holmes was a great boxer puncher behind his jab.
I agree. I think theyre all top 3
Wlad has a pretty solid jab. LOL obviously
I've voted Holmes though
wlads is top 3 imo when he snaps it out there. its very powerful but hes been pawing with it too much lately which is why I wouldnt put his top 5
Here's my take on a list over the greatest jabs in the history of the heavyweight division.
1. Sonny Liston (people got their teeth knocked out by his jab) - he had that jab that really smashed his opponents head back.
2. Larry Holmes - Not as powerful as Liston's but look at the Norton fight how he doubled and tripled that powerful left hand in quick succession. Nobody does that nowadays or since.
3. Prime Riddick Bowe - Probably more powerful than Holmes' jab, but not as quick. It was a hammer, look at his fights vs Holyfield and Tyrell Biggs as an example. Even when he was fat and out of shape vs Golota he still had an awesome jab.
4. Muhammad Ali* - Probably the quickest jab in history, but thrown technically bad. He really developed his jab late in his career, as in after Liston, where he started to understand the true value of the jab. he threw it from the side, almost with side of his hand, but started to get the grasp of it just before he was put in excile.
5. George Foreman - Hugely underrated jabber. Look at his fights vs Tommy Morrison, Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer as examples. Smashed it right in their faces, like a straight right. Also developed late in his career, as in after his comeback.
NOTE: *Ali could arguably take 3rd. And notables that missed out were Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Wlad 00-05.
What do you think?
I voted holmes. Id put liston at 2. holmes had the combination of both speed and power in his jab
Larry Holmes' jab was second only to his flying dropkick!
I give Big George more consideration than most. His jab was possibly the best punch in his arsenal.
IMO Holmes was the perfect blend of power, speed and accuracy..
Listons was a hammer, but it could go missing in fights so I wouldn't have him in my top 5, his reach was also ridiculous..
Ali's was the most artistic, it was a thing of beauty!
A Jan is only as good as it is applied. Mixed with his footwork, speed and reflexes, Ali's jab was just to good.
My list
Ali
Holmes
Liston
Wlad
Foreman
For me, Wlad has the best jab, combining accuracy, usage and power. Only two fighters have ever nullified it in 60+ fights. That says it all for me.
Close second is Holmes.
Third is Ali, tied with Lennox Lewis.
Holmes no contest IMO, then Liston and then Ali.
I don't think a goob jab has to be technically perfect, Lennox used to dangle his jab far forward so it had less distance to travel he didn't bring it all the way back like they teach you in gyms but it was used beautifully. If it is effective at its job then you its a great jab for that fighter.
I don't think his left hook is something to write home about. His jab and straight right - most definitely. But for me it's not just about being a technically sound boxer - because he is. Of the finest sort. But as a fan I want to be entertained - and I don't watch boxing for the sake of a huge guy jabbing a small guy to bits for 10 rounds before he finally throws the right hand. I appreciate others might do, and fair play to them, but not myself.
I don't think Wlad is particularly strong mentally. Not in the sense that his brother is. I think Wlad knows that the guys he's fighting are not that good, but what is he supposed to say?
Press conference:
Wlad, what do you think about Pianeta?
Wlad: "Well he hasn't fought anybody good, he doesn't punch very hard and he probably won't even be able to withstand my jab, so I'll probably get him out of there in the first, but might just carry him for six for the audience sake".
Something's not quite right there is it? If he was coming up against the likes of Tyson, Lennox, Holyfield in his era, then we would see how strong he was mentally. But he hasn't faced anyone like that. Someone that is really strong mentally as well and inimidates their opponents and who is similar in size as him.
But he can only fight the best in his division and he's doing that. So I give him respect for that.
Where did you find that press quote ? :D Funny if Wlad really said that...
I think his left hook is very underrated. He KOed many guys with that one. If anything you need to think about it all the time and that's a big plus.
When I said he is mentally strong I was more that he is disciplined and focused during the fight. Even hit or stunned he will carry on with his plan. Je can also adopt during the fight. That is to Manny's credit.
1. Liston
2. Louis......was hard to put his jab 2nd to Liston; but I felt Sonny had more pop in his.
3. Holmes
4. Lewis....when he wanted it to hurt.
5. Ali....as noted, very fast jab; but more of a blinding/stinging punch than a real weapon.
Try catching that damn dancing son of a ***** when he consistently sticks that jab out.. damn dancing... bumble bee.. no good sonuva..
Ali #1
Just watch him dance circles around Cleveland Williams, it's brilliant.
Wlad has a pretty solid jab. LOL obviously
I've voted Holmes though
Close one here...Larry Holmes over Vlad. Holmes may have had best jab in boxing history, it was that good. :boxing::boxing::boxing: