How the hell were those scores so close?!!!

berto won maybe 3 rounds.. scorecards were close because haymon, showtime, and GBP wanted berto to get in the win column to set him up in more action fights like ortiz 2, ghost 2, maidana, thurman,,, now that all goes down the drain unless one of those guys loses,, like if ortiz loses his comeback fight badly,,, then ortiz-berto 2 would make sense,, but for now berto is back to fighting tomato cans till he looks good again, and that may never happen...

yea I sold my xbox but i was thinking of getting it for ps3. Any better? I have it on PS3 but havent played online since its 1st months. All guys did was jab to the body for 5 rounds

It was Champion. I tried playing it recently, and man has it changed. yea I sold my xbox but i was thinking of getting it for ps3. Any better?

Yea haha, I was a legend in that game man. Which fight night champion, round 3 or round 4? It was Champion. I tried playing it recently, and man has it changed.

berto had a really good 7th round and i guess you can give him the 2nd also. fight didn't seem close to me. berto showed crisp counter punching here and there but JSK took the play away from him in nearly every exchange. i've only seen it once though, drinking, having good time this and that.

IMO... Way to close on the judges cards.... Especially those who had him up. Show time crew was fine. Berto came back stronger SEE, this was the only reason that I bet against Karass. I knew that if it went to the cards, Berto would win whether he deserved it or not. It's a shame you can't bet on a fight based on your knowledge instead of having to take into account who the promoters are or how popular the boxers are.

4 is the limit, if you're giving Berto too much credit. That 5th round would be atrocious, because it's just not possible without bias. Screw that limit talk, the man won 2 rounds, and even the round Soto got knocked down in he came back to dominate. Anyone who justifies the scoring is insane.

Are you P-Turtle from Fight Night? I remember knocking you out in the last round lol......highlight of my video gaming career! Yea haha, I was a legend in that game man. Which fight night champion, round 3 or round 4?

The way the scorecards were after 11 rounds, the 12th round was the deciding round. I don't think the fight was that close, and I'm glad Soto sealed the deal. Imagine if it was a close 12th round, the uproar on here would be crazy. You would have some yelling robbery. Then you would have some calling Soto a bum for not finishing Berto off, and how he should've known better than to let it go to the judges against a Haymon fighter. Soto did himself a huge favor.

I can see having Karass ahead, but I think you are giving him to much credit as many of those rounds were close enough that there is some doubt. 4 isn't all that far from 5 with 1 even to be honest, so I don't get what your big point is or how 2 rounds different is atrocious. Scoring is subjective which is why there are always scores all over the map. Scoring being subjective doesnt mean you can just say a guy won because "its subjective" Its not subjective when one guys is getting his ass beat. You usually have good scorecards but go full retard sometimes and dont know how to score fights like this and, Lucas-Devon and Lucas-Judah. You saw what you wanted to see not what was happening because to even suggest the berto was winning is ridiculous. A close round for you is obviously berto not getting his ass beat really bad but only a little. As usual you start defending fighters you like who get their ass beat acting like they were actually winning. Its hilarious. Stop scoring fights if you had Berto anywhere near winning. It you wanna be nice, he won 3 rounds

This was some of the worst calling on a fight I have seen in all my years of watching the sport. and then the questions from Jim Grey at the end about Karas being fortunate for the the shoulder injury and once he noticed it did he start taking over because of that. I could tell Berto was going to lose this fight from the first round on. Are you P-Turtle from Fight Night? I remember knocking you out in the last round lol......highlight of my video gaming career!

I gave Berto two rounds, the Haymon judges were about to rob him. The scores were absolutely disgusting. Good thing that scum got laid out.

berto won maybe 2 rounds if you are treating every round equal. it's clearly corruption. he was getting beat to a pulp. its not possible 3 out of 3 people miss that. yeah i only gave him 3 rounds. The judges are suspect. Im glad he got koed.

I saw Karass winning and I think that the judges that had it a draw and for Berto were wrong but.... For a start there is actually quite a simple explanation for the bad judging of a fight such as that the judges are not of a high quality. Like anything in life some people are better at their respective jobs than others at that same job. Perhaps the judges in question here were just not that competent. Another point related to that is that there is always going to be bias involved, however unconscious, and that bias seems to consistently be a bias in favour of the 'name' fighter. It is easy to see how that works, a judge just needs to be focusing too much on the work of the 'name' fighter and not enough on the opponent. Is that really so hard for lots of boxing fans to actually understand? Now to the main reason for my post. You talk about mental retardation but lets go through the reasoning, or the lack thereof, that runs to your conclusion. First of all you have no evidence for these judges being bought nor any other by Al Haymon, therefore your claim has almost zero merit. Secondly why would all these countless fighters bother to get into the ring against Al Hayman fighters if they knew that the judges were being bribed to favour the Haymon fighter? Now that would be a sign of mental retardation. No, it would be a sign of somebody wanting a paycheck. Many Haymon fighters get controversial decisions. Williams, Alexander, Broner, to name a few in recent memory

So you think it's a complete coincidence that Haymon's fighters get so many fortuitous shakes from the judges? There's gotta be some impropriety, but it doesn't mean that money is changing hands. Like, Haymon had a lock on HBO boxing without paying anyone off, directly. They probably get a lot of work on Haymon cards and get treated royally, and more of that to come if they keep him happy

Even if you have 3 for Berto, it's not a blowout on your scorecard. Period. Your own score proved my point. And serious, if you think Haymon wanted to fix the fight, he wouldn't involve the most influential person other than the 2 boxers themselves? He's an *******, sure, but he's not stupid enough to not even bother to include the ref. So you think it's a complete coincidence that Haymon's fighters get so many fortuitous shakes from the judges?

No, 4 rounds is not reasonable, it's giving Berto too much credit. I said 3 is what he probably deserved, 4 if you give him too much credit. You're acting like we're saying Haymon had everyone involved in his pocket. No, he clearly had the judges influenced to score for Berto. Considering all the questionable decisions and robberies his fighters have been involved in, it's not crazy. It's a clear pattern. Even if you have 3 for Berto, it's not a blowout on your scorecard. Period. Your own score proved my point. And serious, if you think Haymon wanted to fix the fight, he wouldn't involve the most influential person other than the 2 boxers themselves? He's an *******, sure, but he's not stupid enough to not even bother to include the ref. Put yourself in his shoes. You spend money on the judges, but NOT the ref? Ridiculous.

4 is the limit, if you're giving Berto too much credit. That 5th round would be atrocious, because it's just not possible without bias. Like I said I don't agree with your assessment of the rounds at least in terms of how wide the difference was in several of them. Having Karass ahead going into the final rounds is fine, and having Berto up by any margin is too much but having the fight up for grabs is perfectly reasonable albeit unpopular.

You say it's reasonable to give Berto 4 rounds, but complain that it was not close at all. Keep in mind Soto finished him in the 12th, so that round isn't scored. Also keep in mind that Berto won the 11th round 10-8 on most scorecards. Add in 3 more rounds for Berto (according to you), and your score at the end of 11 is ... 105-103 Soto. even if you only gave Berto 3 rounds, your score is 106-102 for Soto. Your score is not much of a blowout as you thought right? Enough with the conspiracy theories. You people still haven't answered my question that if the fix was in, why did the ref stop the fight and ruin everyone's plan? No, 4 rounds is not reasonable, it's giving Berto too much credit. I said 3 is what he probably deserved, 4 if you give him too much credit. You're acting like we're saying Haymon had everyone involved in his pocket. No, he clearly had the judges influenced to score for Berto. Considering all the questionable decisions and robberies his fighters have been involved in, it's not crazy. It's a clear pattern.

I gave Berto 3 rounds tops. Shame on those trying to defend horrible judging, boxing fans? doesn't seem like it.