Froch: "Cleverly is totally insignificant"

This dude needs a reality check... I cannot put in to words on how over rated this guy is.

The deal is actually very appealing. Froch gets to fight for the LHW title at a catchweight and even if he loses, he stays Super Middleweight champion. Plus its great money. I'd rather see Froch-Cleverly than a third Kessler fight. Brown-nosing Frank Warren again, eh, Dirk?

Personally, I'd like to see the fight. Both guys don't mess about in the ring and I am also probably the only bloke (apart from Frank Warren) who actually thinks that what Cleverly is missing is a proper opportunity to deliver a breakthrough performance and the reason the kid is looking distinctly average is because he's in tickover fights. Carl clearly feels differently right now...so I am guessing it is Kessler, Ward or making a ton of cash against B-Hop.

froch's name in a past life. http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/admiral-sir-manley-power.jpg

A Cleverley fight isn't top of my wishlist for Froch's next opponent, but i'm not sure why Froch is so against it, and it's not completely insignificant. He's an option that provides a beatable man at 168 or 175 for Froch, who holds a title, and domestically is the biggest fight for Carl's legacy (titles in 2 divisions) in comparision to what Groves (being touted) or Degale would bring. There's no doubt that Warren is a big hinderence for a Froch/Cleverley bout to ever come off.

Well at least we've got realistic aspirations such as being promoted. Arsenal are a perpetual top 4 team at best. They may even fall out of that if they're not careful. Well Arsenal built a new stadium and managed the debt for 8 years whilst staying in the top 4 in the Premier League. Leicester City built a new stadium and.....oh.....oh no.....:lol1: Take it to a football thread guys. YNWA

£2.5m is not a small offer. How much do you think Froch gets paid? It was an edit gone wrong, I had intended to put "no small offer". I agree it's a sizeable offer.

I agree. But why should Froch be expected to move up? Froch isn't big he only rehydrates to around 175 at most. Even if Cleverley is the tougher assignment, there are still better opponents for Froch that would also be a lot more lucrative financially. Froch is coming to his twilight years and unfortunately hasn't been noticed for most of his career so he needs to cash out for the future imo. He isn't expected to move up, Cleverly offered to fight him at 168. As to financials £2.5m is no small offer, but afaik Matchroom rejected it in 20 minutes, I doubt they even consulted Froch in that time. I have no great desire to see Froch-Cleverly but I'd prefer it to Groves and some of the other fights mentioned.

That's cute. Laugh now my friend but if Leicester do get promoted and stay in the PL and Arsenal drop out of the top 4 we'll both be of the same degree of insignificance haha.

I see nothing to argue with there. Cleverly is indeed irrelevant to the likes of Froch, he doesn't do anything at all for Froch's legacy. I really don't know why Cleverly is so focused on someone in a different division who thinks nothing of him in return.

Okay, but who do you feel is the tougher opponent (in the ring) for Froch? I see him cutting through Groves, and while he likely beats Cleverly I think it's the tougher assignment of the two. I agree. But why should Froch be expected to move up? Froch isn't big he only rehydrates to around 175 at most. Even if Cleverley is the tougher assignment, there are still better opponents for Froch that would also be a lot more lucrative financially. Froch is coming to his twilight years and unfortunately hasn't been noticed for most of his career so he needs to cash out for the future imo.

I'm not necessarily saying Groves beats him head to head but it's not like he's a complete bum. In my view Degale and maybe even Johnson are better than any of Cleverley's opponents thus far, unless you count Bellew as some world beater. Okay, but who do you feel is the tougher opponent (in the ring) for Froch? I see him cutting through Groves, and while he likely beats Cleverly I think it's the tougher assignment of the two.

Some day Froch will come down hard.

Well Arsenal built a new stadium and managed the debt for 8 years whilst staying in the top 4 in the Premier League. Leicester City built a new stadium and.....oh.....oh no.....:lol1: Well at least we've got realistic aspirations such as being promoted. Arsenal are a perpetual top 4 team at best. They may even fall out of that if they're not careful.

I'm going to come out and say it. Froch is a bit of a cunt, and if anyone else said what he's being saying of late they'd be lambasted for it. He's riding off his limited success in the Super Middleweight tournament, and his previous underdog status, too much.

Get a Room You two.

The awkward moment when a supporter of a team in the Championship tries to say a team in the Champions League is insignificant.....:ugh: We are a big fish in a small pool you are a small fish in a big pool. Arsenal shout so much about being in the Champions League but over the years all you've done is regressed and you will never ever win the Champions League. Every year we hear "this year Arsenal will challenge for the title all we need is to buy X, Y and Z and we've got a title challenging squad". What actually happens is you sell your best players and buy mediocre players. By mid-season you are in the scrap for top 4 again. Top 4 is like a ****ing title now for Arsenal lol. You underpay top players and overpay **** players. I don't think Arsenal will ever be a top club again. Say what you want about Leicester but our supporters are true supporters mostly. At an Arsenal ground you find so many people who aren't true supporters it's ridiculous.

Who is Groves's best win? retired Johnson? DeGale? Maybe they're better wins than Cleverly's equivalent wins at 175 but in the ring do you think Groves beats Cleverly? I dislike the way Hearn is trying to push Groves-Froch on the public and I think he's over-estimating the interest in an immediate Froch-Kessler rematch. Ward is probably the fight but I don't want to see it either tbh. Saw it already and Froch lost handily, I don't see a rematch being much different regardless of where it is held. I'm probably on my own in this but I'd prefer to watch Cleverly, Stieglitz, Oosthuizen and even Hopkins ahead of the "rematches" and I'd rather the DeGale fight over Groves, just my own preference though. I'm not necessarily saying Groves beats him head to head but it's not like he's a complete bum. In my view Degale and maybe even Johnson are better than any of Cleverley's opponents thus far, unless you count Bellew as some world beater.

George Groves would probably be a better payday lol. Also, it can't be denied that George Groves' best win is probably better than Cleverley's. Who is Groves's best win? retired Johnson? DeGale? Maybe they're better wins than Cleverly's equivalent wins at 175 but in the ring do you think Groves beats Cleverly? I dislike the way Hearn is trying to push Groves-Froch on the public and I think he's over-estimating the interest in an immediate Froch-Kessler rematch. I don't think anyone really wants to see either. Andre Ward is the fight but it seems like Froch is maybe just trying to force his hand. Ward is probably the fight but I don't want to see it either tbh. Saw it already and Froch lost handily, I don't see a rematch being much different regardless of where it is held. I'm probably on my own in this but I'd prefer to watch Cleverly, Stieglitz, Oosthuizen and even Hopkins ahead of the "rematches" and I'd rather the DeGale fight over Groves, just my own preference though.

I've supported Arsenal since my first memory and I didn't see them win the league till my age was in double digits. When are these "good ole days" you refer to? Son, I would tie your arse up in knots talking about the beautiful game. Take it to the football thread and I'll run you out of there in less than 24 hours. I just don't watch BUM leagues that are the equivalent of the Prizefighter competitions. To coin Froch's phrase, your club are insignificant. Your club is also insignificant. It is just a mother****ing feeder club like it or not. If you don't know anything about even the championship you don't know **** about football sorry. I likely know more about football and I definitely know more about boxing.