For $32M, Showtime cut put together 10 or 15 fights like Matthyse/Peterson

floyd mayweather kills boxing. it's now a fact. Pretty much.

floyd mayweather kills boxing. it's now a fact.

that 32M is not in showtime boxing budget Mayweathers pays for himself but Showtime did increase their boxing budget while HBO cut theirs

Isn't that crazy, for what it costs them to pay Mayweather ($32M), Showtime could instead put together 10 or 15 cards per year of the quality of Mattyhsse/Peterson. If they were to pay $2M a piece to guys like, Matthyse, Petterson, Garcia, Broner, Rios, Khan, Alvarado, Provodnikov, Malignaggi, Alexander, Guerrero, Ortiz, Thurman, Abrgu to have sort of an unofficial tournament in a single year, don't you guys think that would be worth more than to have one Mayweather fight? I think so. Very good point. Fans will get to see more fights possibly every weekend instead of having to wait for some superstar fighting in mismatches. :unitedsta

lol, i dunno why anyone keeps on throwing out these random names. floyd is gonna bring in money. theres no doubt about that. the estimates of the money he brings in on one event are unrivaled in the whole sports world. i dunno who he is or is not gonna fight, granted, but his track record is proven at this point. hes a hot commodity and u may say ppl are turned off by how he fights, but when u see him listed on forbes or all over espn the magazine, its kinda hard to igonore him. the guy is an even all unto himself. ppl may hate it, but its the facts. Other than Canelo, who's out there that would justify that guarantee, that's realistic?

Im sre they know it better then me,but at 900k buys, I had Showtime taking home 7m. I didn't see your breakdown, nor would I be qualified to judge it totally. But it's extra murky here since normally the network only gets a cut of the PPV, the promoter takes the rest (gate, international rights, etc) after the distributors get theirs. The promoter also has lots of expenses, including all purses. Here it's the network acting as promoter by making a huge guarantee. So does that mean they get all the promoter extras, gate etc? Not sure, GBP doesn't work for free either. But if you think of GBP and SHO as one and the same (not a stretch) then it's a different break even probably.

I dunno but 32m is a massive guarantee for the likes of Guerrero, Devon, etc lol, i dunno why anyone keeps on throwing out these random names. floyd is gonna bring in money. theres no doubt about that. the estimates of the money he brings in on one event are unrivaled in the whole sports world. i dunno who he is or is not gonna fight, granted, but his track record is proven at this point. hes a hot commodity and u may say ppl are turned off by how he fights, but when u see him listed on forbes or all over espn the magazine, its kinda hard to igonore him. the guy is an even all unto himself. ppl may hate it, but its the facts.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lovci They don't put out 32m... I did some simple math and came out with them ahead 7mif it's 900k buys. So... Now they have 39m to play with. Stupid thread. Think before you create. Showtime's money comes thru their subscribers, at the end of the day that is their end goal of the entire network, to get more subscribers and have that monthly guarantee income. You really think that a PPV fight as boring as Guerrero/Floyd is going to get them any subscribers? Over say, a bunch of possible wars (based on styles) between those names that I mentioned? No the money comes from deals they make with cable providers. They dont really see your subscription fee, they get the money a cable company pays to broadcast the channel. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

The Mayweather name brings something those other fights can't. There is a lot about branding etc you need to understand before posting stuff like this.

how many times has mayweather gone over 1.1 or 1.2 mil?? very few. and even when he did, he usually does about 1.5 max. so tell me, what company in their right mind would take a huge gamble on a guy going 1.2 mil to get even every time when he usually does about that much anyways? u guys dont understand business, because what u suggest would be horrible, horrible business. thats not how corporations do business. thats not how these ceo's gamble. so industry insiders come up with these numbers but in the end the numbers dont make sense. corporations dont gamble for what woulds be minimal returns. thats just not how it works. I dunno but 32m is a massive guarantee for the likes of Guerrero, Devon, etc

They probably lost major money on this one. The figure that came out was 1.1 - 1.2m to break even. SHO reacted angrily, but didn't provide any other figure. And the above was estimated by industry pros, they probably know the breakdown well how many times has mayweather gone over 1.1 or 1.2 mil?? very few. and even when he did, he usually does about 1.5 max. so tell me, what company in their right mind would take a huge gamble on a guy going 1.2 mil to get even every time when he usually does about that much anyways? u guys dont understand business, because what u suggest would be horrible, horrible business. thats not how corporations do business. thats not how these ceo's gamble. so industry insiders come up with these numbers but in the end the numbers dont make sense. corporations dont gamble for what woulds be minimal returns. thats just not how it works.

They probably lost major money on this one. The figure that came out was 1.1 - 1.2m to break even. SHO reacted angrily, but didn't provide any other figure. And the above was estimated by industry pros, they probably know the breakdown well Im sre they know it better then me,but at 900k buys, I had Showtime taking home 7m.

Isn't that crazy, for what it costs them to pay Mayweather ($32M), Showtime could instead put together 10 or 15 cards per year of the quality of Mattyhsse/Peterson. If they were to pay $2M a piece to guys like, Matthyse, Petterson, Garcia, Broner, Rios, Khan, Alvarado, Provodnikov, Malignaggi, Alexander, Guerrero, Ortiz, Thurman, Abrgu to have sort of an unofficial tournament in a single year, don't you guys think that would be worth more than to have one Mayweather fight? I think so. No because most boxing fans that know and want to watch those fighters and are willing to pay will already have showtime. Those names aren't going to make casual fans that only watch big fights want to subscribe.

Is it just me or if you pay all those guys 1 mil or 2 mil and there was enough bread to go around the table it would be nothing but mismatches and no need to make good fights

Why are you talking about subscribers now? You said they paid 32m for Floyd. They did not. That was Mayweathers guarantee on the revue drawn from PPV, ticket sales,etc. Showtime was simply the host and marketer of the PPV. They did the PPV so they could make millions, and in this one I calculated they made 7m. With that said, they also take all the risk. They potentially could have lost money, but that seems unlikely. They would need to raise there yearly budget in order to use 32m more for fights. I think that would be great, especially if CBS got involved. They probably lost major money on this one. The figure that came out was 1.1 - 1.2m to break even. SHO reacted angrily, but didn't provide any other figure. And the above was estimated by industry pros, they probably know the breakdown well

The PPV buyers paid Mayweather's purse. :banghead:

Its 32m for the only ppv star left in the us since mannys gone so all the people that gonna subscribe to see him is well worth it ,most people dont even know mathysse or peterson. so what they win with 10/15 of unknown fights? Lol

Listen I'm not arguing the way PPV works, I'm arguing the way this 6 fight PPV deal Showtime has with Mayweather does. I think they could have invested better in their hopes to overthrown HBO as the best Boxing network and gain general subscribers. Lets not forget that the reason Floyd walked HBO is because they did not agree to the deal that Showtime did. They didn't agree to that deal for a reason, because if it was a gurantee money maker like you are exaplining, HBO would have happly agreed to Floyd's demand. But they didn't, Showtime did and think they will regret it if these rumors about the numbers (which you reported on a seperate thread earlier by the way) are truth. I'm not arguing with you that it would be cool/smart if they threw 32m more into the boxing budget, but what you are not understanding, is that money doesn't exist. Also, you need to understand, and I don't know how many times I can say it. The PPV has nothing to do with Showtimes boxing budget. What you are proposing is a $32m increase in the budget. If they did add the $32, which I doubt they can afford, it would still have nothing to do with the PPV, and they would still be doing the PPV's. And yes I did mention the PPV numbers. I also mentioned that based on my calculations showtime made roughly $7m.

Clearly I am wrong? I think this is pretty simple. You have zero clue how PPV fights work. Showtime gives out guarantees, and takes all the risks. They don't pay fighters out of their own pocket unless the PPV is a disaster and they don't break even. All the money made is from ppv revenue, ticket sales, t-shirts, and everything else in between. That money is doled out to the fighters and PPV, and whatever is left Showtime gets. PPV fights have nothing to do with there yearly budget for boxing. Listen I'm not arguing the way PPV works, I'm arguing the way this 6 fight PPV deal Showtime has with Mayweather does. I think they could have invested better in their hopes to overthrown HBO as the best Boxing network and gain general subscribers. Lets not forget that the reason Floyd walked HBO is because they did not agree to the deal that Showtime did. They didn't agree to that deal for a reason, because if it was a gurantee money maker like you are exaplining, HBO would have happly agreed to Floyd's demand. But they didn't, Showtime did and think they will regret it if these rumors about the numbers (which you reported on a seperate thread earlier by the way) are truth.

You are saying that they invest $32M in Floyd because they will make it back in revnue from the PPV and hopefully break even or keep some extra. I'm saying, invest the $32M in putting together 10 or 15 fights a year with quality opponents, which will lead to a huge bump in your subscribers which will lead to revnue just like it would with a Floyd PPV. Now, you may say why can't they do both, but how willing they are to taking that big of a risk, is the question here. Why do that if your gonna make money. The money doesn't exist. So where would they get it?