Can Alvarez Do Anything Besides Set-Reset High Speed Sharpshooting From The Outside?

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........... No disrespect to Canelo. But ............

Nah "bro." I'm trying to put into proper context Canelo's chances of beating the likes of Floyd Mayweather or Sergio Martinez. :pat: Sergio is a 160 pounder and will only come down for FMJ, no one else. Floyd is a 147 pounder and will not come up 7 pounds to get his face caved in.. not happening!

It's called strategizing. Trout was expecting Canelo to come for him and had a prepared strategy. Even in the end Trout said that he didn't expect this from Canelo, meaning he was expecting Canelo to come in like he had done with other opponents and tear him piece by piece. He said he was shocked that Canelo boxed like that. You're looking for straws to discredit Canelo's win bro. L Haters make the world go round! we need them! :grouphug:

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Hey I'd like Floyd to have played with Cotto on the outside but instead he got a bloody nose from Cotto's jabs and getting pinned to the ropes, when in theory he shouldn't have. No need to collapse on Floyd. You just gotta get near him and not smother your punches the way Castillo fought him. Canelo is bigger than Castillo and possibly smarter, not yet as proven but give him a chance. I know Floyd doesn't have the confidence to take the fight. I agree to some extent, although once Mayweather realizes Canelo isn't comfortable or isn't effective in a certain place he'll take it there and keep it there. You're absolutely right about how effective Canelo would be at range. Canelo's punching power and speed may prevent Floyd from even signing on the dotted line... Another thing you may be right about..

You're a big Canelo fan. I get it. Thanks. And NO. I did not say Canelo "doesn't have an inside fighting game." Personally, I'd like to see him collapse on his opponents more if he's ever again in a situation like he was last night. All he has to do is take a few steps forward, shorten up and fire more often. I'd like to see him making more adjustments in the future. It looked like he was trying to show he can box Trout not just bang on the inside plus he should make adjustments in a fight he's winning. Sounds like you miss the old Canelo body/combo puncher but last night he did show he could do something else.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If this was a very close fight, and it could have gone either way, then yes, I'd simply say that, but honestly, if you thought Canelo won the fight, TO ME, you either have an agenda, or you had your Canelo goggles on last night. I know I'll get crucified, because last night taught me there's an abundance of Canelo fans. Bring on the onslaught. I'm done with this topic. Can't win. I'll just wait for Garcia/Judah. What about the neutral fans who think Canelo won? do they not exist? You need to accept a lot of people saw the fight differently for reasons not related to bias.

Good post but I disagree as far as him not being ready for Sergio or Floyd. He's had 40 fights and he's not a Fernando Vargas. He's ready. Who do you think is more worthy of fighting Floyd? Lara, Ishe, Molina or Smith. Canelo established himself as the best guy at 154 and that's where Floyd holds a belt. I just don't see him being ready for someone like Mayweather just yet. I wouldn't say he's undeserving of the fight, as you said, he proven himself the top fighter at 154. So, if Mayweather was to fight there, I'd agree Canelo is the best option. But I'd rather see Canelo get some more experience against top 154 lbers first. As for Martinez, I just don't think he's ready to make the jump up in weight to fight someone like Sergio. In that fight, he'd be giving up a lot in size, weight and experience.

Maybe it could teach you something else: just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're wrong. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If this was a very close fight, and it could have gone either way, then yes, I'd simply say that, but honestly, if you thought Canelo won the fight, TO ME, you either have an agenda, or you had your Canelo goggles on last night. I know I'll get crucified, because last night taught me there's an abundance of Canelo fans. Bring on the onslaught. I'm done with this topic. Can't win. I'll just wait for Garcia/Judah.

I see what you are saying. Trout started the fight really good using his jab and keeping him at a distance and by the 3rd Canelo had already made an adjustment and kind of neutralized Trouts jab. At that point I thought Canelo was going to start working the body and using his jab more and start throwing combinations but instead he only was just throwing power punches and re loading and trying to land that big over right hand. I thought Canelo's only inside work came when Trout found a little success at closing the distance and found his way inside. I dont think it was Canelo the one that chose to fight inside. I think it was a result of Trout trying to stay busy and trying to do more inside. Maybe Canelo had more intentions of working inside but Trout did a good job of keeping him at a distance and alert. But I think Canelo was bombing away and reloading also because he was having success doing it. Trout threw 2 different jabs. First few rounds he was trying to keep him at a distance and set up , and was making Canelo back up. In the last rounds he was just trying to keep Canelo away more than anything with that jab. He was throwing it like a sling shot and pulling back.

Well you said that Alvares doesn't have an in-fighting game and then I gave you two examples in Josesito and Shane, but apparently they are not good examples because both Josesito and Shane and inside fighters duh. Josesito was moving away from Alvarez trying not to fight inside with Alvarez, it didn't matter though, Canelo cut all corners on him trapped him and damaged him. Shane received the biggest beat-down of his career, ON THE INSIDE. You're a big Canelo fan. I get it. Thanks. And NO. I did not say Canelo "doesn't have an inside fighting game." Personally, I'd like to see him collapse on his opponents more if he's ever again in a situation like he was last night. All he has to do is take a few steps forward, shorten up and fire more often. I'd like to see him making more adjustments in the future.

In all fairness, Trout is a tough fighter to get inside against. Miguel Cotto couldn't get inside on him very easily either, and Cotto managed to get inside against Mayweather at times. Canelo has shown in previous fights that he can pressure when he needs to, in this fight he opted to box. As soon as the fight started he went onto the back foot, it looked to me like that was his game plan. I was surprised, however, that he never really managed to get inside throughout the fight. But, as I said, Trout has shown in the past that he's a hard guy to pin down. I wouldn't put down Canelo's ability on the front foot on the basis on this fight alone. That said, obviously he isn't ready for Mayweather or Martinez yet. He's only 22, and those guys are both long established champions. I could see him giving Mayweather some problems, with his size and strength, but at this point he still gets outboxed. I'd give him very little chance against Sergio though, I don't think he'd be able to get inside against his jab and movement, and Serio is bigger and stronger... not to mention has a lot of power. It's not really a knock against Saul though. The fact that people are mentioning him fighting such top tier guys at his age shows how good he is, and he has time to improve.

What world are you living in, where you think Canelo outboxed Trout? This site taught me one thing last night. TONS of Canelo fans. Maybe it could teach you something else: just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're wrong.

Agenda? :lol1: You're everything that's wrong with these types of forums, pesticid. It is YOU that has Alvarez listed as one of your FAVORITE FIGHTERS right there in your signature for everyone to see. WHO IS PRESSING AN AGENDA, fangirl? WHO? WHO? This site is full of agenda and BS. Nothing new. I came onto this site last night, fully expecting, "Trout got robbed", or "Trout never stood a chance with GBP/Showtime", but instead I found out Canelo has a MUCH bigger fan base than I originally thought.

Holdon what? He couldn't get inside on a slick fighter, the top fighter and 154, and then preceded to win a decision by out boxing a slick boxer? What am I missing here? What world are you living in, where you think Canelo outboxed Trout? This site taught me one thing last night. TONS of Canelo fans.

And the hidden agenda came to surface. You believe that Canelo cannot win against Mayweather and Sergio on the outside and by not beating Trout on the inside he's showing us a weakness that will be used against Sergio or Mayweather. They still have to step in the ring with him though. Agenda? :lol1: You're everything that's wrong with these types of forums, pesticid. It is YOU that has Alvarez listed as one of your FAVORITE FIGHTERS right there in your signature for everyone to see. WHO IS PRESSING AN AGENDA, fangirl? WHO? WHO?

I'm forced to agree. Particularly if Canelo ever faces world class operators like Floyd Mayweather or Sergio Martinez. I guess we already know where the ceiling lies... Sucks because Canelo could give either of those guys a hard time if he could round out his game a bit... Or perhaps it's a bit late for that. I think Trout did as good of a job of boxing Canelo as you can possibly do, except he went away from his game plan after the "open scoring" debacle. I think Canelo has a much better shot against Floyd than either Trout or Sergio.

Trout was pumping the jab, and constantly spinning Canelo. Canelo's supposed to be the one coming inside, but he couldn't. Huge flaw in his game. Holdon what? He couldn't get inside on a slick fighter, the top fighter and 154, and then preceded to win a decision by out boxing a slick boxer? What am I missing here?

It's called strategizing. Trout was expecting Canelo to come for him and had a prepared strategy. Even in the end Trout said that he didn't expect this from Canelo, meaning he was expecting Canelo to come in like he had done with other opponents and tear him piece by piece. He said he was shocked that Canelo boxed like that. You're looking for straws to discredit Canelo's win bro. L Nah "bro." I'm trying to put into proper context Canelo's chances of beating the likes of Floyd Mayweather or Sergio Martinez. :pat: