Canelo, Martinez vs Mayweather: When weight matters

I agree forget about this fight

Don't be fooled Floyd come in heavier than 151 in the ring. You think he really allows Hbo to weight him before he goes into the ring...i don't belive his ring in weight, look at him years ago as a welterweight and look at him today after he gets in the ring with Guerrero, not weighing what hbo tells us his is weighing. WBC just weighed him 30 days out for Guerrero and he was 148. Could be after a work out but you are talking what a few more pounds max. He doesnt cut for a 30 day out weigh in. Floyd really is that small.

he looked to be about 150 on fight night maybe 148, which isn't 20 pounds I don't doubt for a second it wasn't 20lbs, but I gotta wonder about your eyes if you think he was within a couple of lbs of Marquez. But really, that's the point. If you can't trust a straight shooter like JMM on these matters, how can you take Floyd's word for it, especially after blowing off the catchweight? Have him step on the HBO scale, and then talk about his fight night weight.

he looked to be about 150 on fight night maybe 148, which isn't 20 pounds

Of course weight matters, why do you think Floyd continues to fight smaller guys (Marquez/Guerrero) but when we bring up Floyd taking on the smaller Marquez who was only used to fighting at 130 and recently 135, Floyd fans say that the size difference didn't matter. They like to have it both ways ..... sad but true. Imagine Marquez going from being hit by smaller 130-135 fighters to 147 .... according to Floyd fans, that was OK because Marquez was P4P #2 ..... but then it should be more true for the #1 P4P Floyd to fight someone where he holds a title, right?

yeah because Floyd looks any different during the weigh in than in the ring lol You think he looked 5lb bigger, or less, vs Marquez?

fuck Martinez, the guy is a MW he's been there too long to come down to JMW at this point never understood the talk of him going back down for a Floyd fight Martinez hasn't exactly wowed with his MW opposition there's not much there but he could do better than he has nothing wrong with Floyd-Alvarez though, it's just fine

Canelo is much thicker and bulkier than Floyd is and Floyd's legs are getting worse everyday I just want to see them fight I think Canelo can do some serious damage to Floyd and possibly win. Mayweather-Canelo aint going to happen until May 2014 though imo I think Canelo is going to fight Cotto in the fall.

Of course weight matters, why do you think Floyd continues to fight smaller guys (Marquez/Guerrero)

When did Manny fight a guy with a 20lb weight advantage? Even lottery didn't have that advantage. Neither did Margarito. And once again, I never said I had a problem with this fight. I don't. If it happens it happens. Should Floyd have to take it? No. Should he? Yes. But like I said, u wanna talk about weight like it doesn't matter, when its the only thing that gives u a chance in a fight, then it is the determining factor. So weight matters and a 20lb weight advantage shouldn't be ignored like its some little thing. Its not. Its all the difference between life and death. But that's what j get when u have keyboard warriors who have never stepped in the ring themselves. Its more like play for them. And its easy to ignore the truth. Just like you are looking at the possibility that Canelo can come in 15-20lbs more there was that possibility that guys like Clottey, Margarito, .... could have as well. Didn't Clottey come in at 170 against Corrales? So Manny still fought them guys that were much bigger than him and where there was the possibility of having his opponents come in at 15-20lbs more than him. Floyd has said he can fight and beat anyone at 147 and 154. So if someone can make 154 then it doesn't matter how much they come in on fight night. It's not against the rules. Weight matters, power matters, skills matter .... like I said IT ALL MATTERS!!! When Gatti lost to Baldomir at WW, was it because Baldomir was more skilled? No, he was built more like a tank and that made him win. Was it fair? Well, it depends on how you look at it. If you fight at WW then you need to beat everyone at WW not just those who you think you can beat. Same with Floyd at JMW. We just went from Floyd can't at 160 against Martinez to Floyd can't fight Martinez at 154 because Martinez has not fought at 154 in years to Floyd can't fight a 154lb Canelo who has been primarily fighting smaller WWs. So Josesito Lopez, a recent JWW can fight Canelo but Floyd for some reason can't according to the "protect Floyd at all cost" fans of his ..... lol! Again, should Floyd be cherry picking even though he has fought at 154 twice and they have said that he could beat anyone at 147 and 154? Final point is that Floyd's team had always said that its skills not size that pays the bills when referring to big guys will beat Floyd..... now it's a different story?

yeah because Floyd looks any different during the weigh in than in the ring lol

Any proof that Floyd weigh in around 150 during fight night? I am not talking about before he retire. I mean His last 2 fights with Ortiz and Cotto. Here's for Ortiz: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/09/17/mayweather.ortiz.blog/index.html AFAIK that's the only time he stepped on the HBO scale since coming out of retirement

Any proof that Floyd weigh in around 150 during fight night? I am not talking about before he retire. I mean His last 2 fights with Ortiz and Cotto.

Mayweather beats Alvarez in a very easy fight with 12-0 or 11-1 scorecard . Martinez murders Alvarez in the ring ! I gave Alvarez a better chance against Mayweather before today's fight , but after watching Alvarez against Trout , I am 100% sure he is going to be embarrassed by Mayweather .

I have another example to add: Pacquiao weighed only 84.8% of what Margarito did when he beat him (Marg 165, Pac 148).

Well why dont Canelo go fight Sergio , same size on fight night its an even fight with nobody weight drained , oh thats not fair lol but in here Floyd giving Canelo 15-20 lbs is fair , unreal ! :ugh:Floyd has the WBA jmw title man, I think that is the only reason people are talking about this fight. Shoot, I'd like to see Canelo against Sergio too but I know Sergio would destroy him.

leave it alone dude, people want to see Mayweather fight these MUCH bigger guys because it gives them a feeling of Mayweather being beat, they are not thinking fairly or rational. I would have settled for a May-Pac fight but it never happened.

leave it alone dude, people want to see Mayweather fight these MUCH bigger guys because it gives them a feeling of Mayweather being beat, they are not thinking fairly or rational.

Floyd shouldn't fight Canelo or Martinez because he just a straight coward :lol1: that's all:. It's not the weight or size and never will be, he's scared as $h!t of little midget who have to eat a few meals a day just to weight as much as he does.

Whats wrong with a Manny weight of 150 , good for Manny but not for Floyd , Floyd can beat Canelo its just a double standard the way he is supposed to take all the risks yet Manny took none with his special Manny weights . Looks like Sulaiman agrees: http://www.boxingscene.com/sulaiman-jabs-marquez-approves-mayweather-alvarez--48478 It wouldn't be that cool, since Floyd just fought at 154, and is supposedly #1 at SWW, but if Canelo is willing to go down to 150, it'd be better than no fight. What's your call?