How ridiculous is this comparison?
Erik Morales gets KTFO'ed and had questionable PED usage and he gets 2 years from USADA, who have used Floyd Mayweather like a puppet to increase revenue and usurp authority over the sporting world in the past couple of years...
MEANWHILE, Mickey Bey gets caught with one of the highest testosterone levels of all time, but in a 3-2 decision gets banned for only three months, a non-suspension. To be fair, the 2 dissenters wanted a heavier punishment. But where is USADA on this? Nowhere to be found. The limit on testosterone ratio is like 6-1. Bey's was 33-1!
If you think I'm being facetious, watch the video of the Mickey Bey fight, as a matter of fact Bey probably should've had a criminal investigation like the Luis Resto fight or even Margarito against Cotto. That's how bad it was.
Good question...They are essentially a sanctioning body for the Olympics, not for the sport of boxing in general so I find it odd how they could enforce this on Morales. That being said, could Morales fight in the US if it wasn't sanctioned by the USADA? That's the uncertainty of this and any other organization (ex. World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, etc.) that applies rules and regulations to a boxing match/card.
They are not a 'sanctioning body for the Olympics', they are a anti-doping agency that can be contracted to conduct anti-doping tests in any sport. If Morales doesn't actually serve any suspension, what it means is that the whole 'cleaning up the sport' rhetoric from certain parties in boxing is and was complete and utter bullshit, as there was never any intention to take failed tests seriously in any case. If failed tests bring no consequences, then what is it but a public relations exercise?
The real comparison for Bey is not with Morales btw, it's with Chavez Jr. Both failed the commission test, one for off the charts testosterone levels, the other for diuretics. One gets three months. The other gets seven.
Morlaes = 2 years after a questionable test
Chavez jr = $900k smoking weed
Bey - 2 Months one of the highest testosterone levels of all time
Peterson - Keeps his title
Berto - Nothing
wow..
a whole lot of circumstances ignored and some blatant lying to finish things up, classic maniac.
while i think boxers should be allowed to smoke weed all they want, bottom line is it is against the rules. the reason chavez' punishment was so severe is he has been caught before, both failing and dodging tests. dont just ignore that.
beys punishment on the other hand was reduced since he legitimately didnt intend to cheat. he told his doctor he was a boxer and couldnt be on anything illegal, then she gave it to him regardless without him knowing. its his responsibility at the end of the day and he should be punished, at the same time the only thing he did wrong was be too naive. he didnt do anything immoral on purpose and i think its fair to take that into account.
peterson kept his title but he was the only one currently holding a title to begin with, if any of the others were stripped you would have a point but they didnt. so who is to say they wouldnt keep it too?
besides thats the IBFs decision, not the USADA or NSAC. its all IBF, we never seen them in this position before so unless it happens again and they turn around and strip the guy, you have no point. is it wrong by the IBF? ofcourse. but sanctioning bodies pull crap like this all the time (giving belts to guys who dont deserve them). this is the first time its a drugs cheat but to me its not a big difference, either you deserve a title or you dont and peterson isnt the only guy out there with a bull**** belt.
berto was suspended and fined, to say nothing happened is not only a lie but its a bad one at that.
Again Mickey Bey was not tested by the USADA, Morales signed a contract with them and under the terms they have the power to ban him or his opponent if they fail a test for any of the forbidden item on the list that they were given.
Bey wasn't tested by USADA.
You can't compare the two situations.
Morales got popped by USADA, given a toothless 2 year ban because technically USADA has no authority over the US boxing commissions. Nobody knows how the various state athletic commissions will view/react to USADA's ban. They make consider it, they may ignore it, no one knows.
NSAC gave Bey a ridiculous 3 month suspension and Chavez Jr. an equally ridiculous 9 month suspension.
Compare that with British fighter John Donnelly, who was caught by UKAD (the UK Anti-Doping agency, similar to USADA, follows WADA guidelines), testing positive for cocaine. The difference being UKAD actually has authority over there. UKAD crushed Donnelly with a 2 year ban.
If anything NSAC is the bad guy here. Their testing is much weaker than organizations like USADA and VADA. And even when their testing does catch people, NSAC hands out much more lenient suspensions. If USADA actually had authority and had tested Bey, they probably would have slapped him with a 2 year ban as well.
How ridiculous is this comparison?
Erik Morales gets KTFO'ed and had questionable PED usage and he gets 2 years from USADA, who have used Floyd Mayweather like a puppet to increase revenue and usurp authority over the sporting world in the past couple of years...
MEANWHILE, Mickey Bey gets caught with one of the highest testosterone levels of all time, but in a 3-2 decision gets banned for only three months, a non-suspension. To be fair, the 2 dissenters wanted a heavier punishment. But where is USADA on this? Nowhere to be found. The limit on testosterone ratio is like 6-1. Bey's was 33-1!
If you think I'm being facetious, watch the video of the Mickey Bey fight, as a matter of fact Bey probably should've had a criminal investigation like the Luis Resto fight or even Margarito against Cotto. That's how bad it was.
Does Bey train at Floyds gym or the gym Floyd Sr is working at?
Floyd seems to ride pretty hard against cheaters of all backgrounds, hopefully he'll shun this piece of ****.
Look closely at the fight. It's not just the KO, it's the superhuman reflexes, and the crazy counterpunches. Even the punches have no effect on Bey in the fight.
I keep asking this question because I really want to know: if the USADA can ban Morales from U.S. fights even if they're not involved, why can't they have jurisdiction over ALL fights? I'm anti-USADA because I think they're a bunch of corrupt, power hungry cronies, so I'm kind of just hypothesizing.
Because USADA doesn't test all fights (fighters). They only deal with those who they are testing and have signed contracts with.
I keep asking this question because I really want to know: if the USADA can ban Morales from U.S. fights even if they're not involved, why can't they have jurisdiction over ALL fights? I'm anti-USADA because I think they're a bunch of corrupt, power hungry cronies, so I'm kind of just hypothesizing.
Good question...They are essentially a sanctioning body for the Olympics, not for the sport of boxing in general so I find it odd how they could enforce this on Morales. That being said, could Morales fight in the US if it wasn't sanctioned by the USADA? That's the uncertainty of this and any other organization (ex. World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, etc.) that applies rules and regulations to a boxing match/card.
How ridiculous is this comparison?
Erik Morales gets KTFO'ed and had questionable PED usage and he gets 2 years from USADA, who have used Floyd Mayweather like a puppet to increase revenue and usurp authority over the sporting world in the past couple of years...
MEANWHILE, Mickey Bey gets caught with one of the highest testosterone levels of all time, but in a 3-2 decision gets banned for only three months, a non-suspension. To be fair, the 2 dissenters wanted a heavier punishment. But where is USADA on this? Nowhere to be found. The limit on testosterone ratio is like 6-1. Bey's was 33-1!
If you think I'm being facetious, watch the video of the Mickey Bey fight, as a matter of fact Bey probably should've had a criminal investigation like the Luis Resto fight or even Margarito against Cotto. That's how bad it was.
It's a total joke, since fighters now a days fight 2-3 times a year anyway 3 months is nothing.
I think it's funny, Golden Boy Promotions is supposedly anti-doping advocates you would think they'd be more stern about boxers in their stable coming up dirty, but they let the Morales fight go on and Bey with no further repercussions.
Not surprising though. Peterson after coming dirty has since been signed by GBP and has big fights handed to him already.
Haha yeah I don't like to judge but its like do you even need to test a guy like that? He's a unit.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6x0GVR6mjQ8/0.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMlgAiemSM-_SCBjWGZwnTcjxUMtGK9u3V5fhnZ2Gmj1So3e8h
It always made me laugh how he is so massive yet hes a really well spoken guy with a deep posh English accent. Totally the opposite of what you'd probably expect.
Yeah i was shocked when he got banned lol
he was one of my fave domestic fighters to watch, dont get me wrong, i always knew he was awful, but he was fun to watch. He was a wrecking ball with no technique and a ****e chin. Cant help but enjoy that!
But if you read the articles about this...it says Morales can't fight anywhere in the U.S., implying that this includes non-USADA involved boxing matches. Does that make sense?
He can't fight in the U.S because he failed a drug test under the USADA and under the terms of the testing contract he signed with them he would be legible to a 2 year ban, this is why I like and prefer the USADA but the problem we have in boxing is we don't have one organisation like most other sports do, if we did then boxing (Pro) can go under the anti-doping testing organisation. Which means you get ban at least 2 years if you fail a test.
Morlaes = 2 years after a questionable test
Chavez jr = $900k smoking weed
Bey - 2 Months one of the highest testosterone levels of all time
Peterson - Keeps his title
Berto - Nothing
That was Chavez.jr's 2nd offence wasn't it? He was caught earlier in his career if I remember correctly.
That was disturbing.
We need an all-encompassing boxing authority. Right now, it's complete and utter chaos and no-one knows WTF is going on. The lack of consistency isn't a African-American vs Mexican thing - it's because we don't have a ruling body.
Look closely at the fight. It's not just the KO, it's the superhuman reflexes, and the crazy counterpunches. Even the punches have no effect on Bey in the fight.
As much of an uproar this is getting by some for the craziness of how this is being judged and monitored, I'm perplexed on how this could be universally enforced short and long term...
The thing about the Morales situation was that (if I'm not mistaken) the fight against Garcia could have been called off but Garcia and his crew took the fight anyway. That tells you straight off that USADA or whoever sanctioned the card didn't really care what Morales did as long as the event went down. So now he gets banned from fighting in the U.S.? Okay great...he can still fight in Mexico or any other country that wants to approve having him fight in a boxing card...
Same scenario would apply for Chavez ver. 2, Margarito, Martinez, Khan, or any other high-profile fighter that isn't based in the USA
I keep asking this question because I really want to know: if the USADA can ban Morales from U.S. fights even if they're not involved, why can't they have jurisdiction over ALL fights? I'm anti-USADA because I think they're a bunch of corrupt, power hungry cronies, so I'm kind of just hypothesizing.
Big Larry O was on so much juice he can never have a bath in case he dissolves.
Haha yeah I don't like to judge but its like do you even need to test a guy like that? He's a unit.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6x0GVR6mjQ8/0.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMlgAiemSM-_SCBjWGZwnTcjxUMtGK9u3V5fhnZ2Gmj1So3e8h
It always made me laugh how he is so massive yet hes a really well spoken guy with a deep posh English accent. Totally the opposite of what you'd probably expect.
How ridiculous is this comparison?
Erik Morales gets KTFO'ed and had questionable PED usage and he gets 2 years from USADA, who have used Floyd Mayweather like a puppet to increase revenue and usurp authority over the sporting world in the past couple of years...
MEANWHILE, Mickey Bey gets caught with one of the highest testosterone levels of all time, but in a 3-2 decision gets banned for only three months, a non-suspension. To be fair, the 2 dissenters wanted a heavier punishment. But where is USADA on this? Nowhere to be found.
If you think I'm being facetious, watch the video of the Mickey Bey fight, as a matter of fact Bey probably should've had a criminal investigation like the Luis Resto fight or even Margarito against Cotto. That's how bad it was.
As much of an uproar this is getting by some for the craziness of how this is being judged and monitored, I'm perplexed on how this could be universally enforced short and long term...
The thing about the Morales situation was that (if I'm not mistaken) the fight against Garcia could have been called off but Garcia and his crew took the fight anyway. That tells you straight off that USADA or whoever sanctioned the card didn't really care what Morales did as long as the event went down. So now he gets banned from fighting in the U.S.? Okay great...he can still fight in Mexico or any other country that wants to approve having him fight in a boxing card...
Same scenario would apply for Chavez ver. 2, Margarito, Martinez, Khan, or any other high-profile fighter that isn't based in the USA
No they can't, boxing is not like other sports where the USADA have the necessary authority to ban fighters who test dirty under them, if bey or Pederson had test dirty under them then they would be ban 2 years too.
But if you read the articles about this...it says Morales can't fight anywhere in the U.S., implying that this includes non-USADA involved boxing matches. Does that make sense?
It doesn't make any sense. Supposedly USADA can now ban fighters from fights they're not involved in? DOesn't this give them jurisdiction over ALL fights?
If you care about boxing, you should be pissed about this hypocrisy. Watch the video... Not sure if it will work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_D8BqlpGyY
No they can't, boxing is not like other sports where the USADA have the necessary authority to ban fighters who test dirty under them, if bey or Pederson had test dirty under them then they would be ban 2 years too.
The prudent poster would post the vid. Who the eff is Mickey Bey other than some Mayweather groupie fighter?
But what authority does the USADA even have to issue suspensions?
Morlaes = 2 years after a questionable test
Chavez jr = $900k smoking weed
Bey - 2 Months one of the highest testosterone levels of all time
Peterson - Keeps his title
Berto - Nothing
Peterson and Berto didn't do that well in their fights, but watch the Bey fight folks, he could'v killed Robert Rodriguez Jr.
My other point about this is that if USADA can ban a fighter from fights they aren't going to be a part of, aka, all of USA, doesn't this give a huge power grab over all fights?
The prudent poster would post the vid. Who the eff is Mickey Bey other than some Mayweather groupie fighter?
But what authority does the USADA even have to issue suspensions?
It doesn't make any sense. Supposedly USADA can now ban fighters from fights they're not involved in? DOesn't this give them jurisdiction over ALL fights?
If you care about boxing, you should be pissed about this hypocrisy. Watch the video... Not sure if it will work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_D8BqlpGyY