Who is the most skill full and versatile boxer ever in the heavyweight division?

You don't know **** about boxing. His jab was spectacular, and his willingness to go toe to toe in smart on his part, because of his inside game, and the fact that he knew he had the toughest chin at HW. And why don't you answer the damn question. Who do you think is the most skilled HW? The best way to actually beat Holyfield was to jab consistently. He lost to guys that did that. Moorer, Lewis...even when he was old James Toney killed him by using the jab.

You don't know **** about boxing. His jab was spectacular, and his willingness to go toe to toe in smart on his part, because of his inside game, and the fact that he knew he had the toughest chin at HW. And why don't you answer the damn question. Who do you think is the most skilled HW? Spectacular?? Please refer to Sonny Liston and Larry Holmes...those are spectacular jabs. Holyfield never had a spectacular jab.

I have always thought it was ali, but im not sure. Joe Louis. Skills and versatility are the criteria. He could fight going forwards or backwards. In many ways he was better going backwards. He attacked head and body and threw in a textbook manner. This doesn't mean he would beat some of the other guys mentioned. To me it's not Ali. He never really went to the body. He was just exceptional with his hand speed and more importantly foot speed. In combination with his willpower that was enough to defeat almost every fighter.

Probably Gene Tunney as regards to the smarts & the skillset to adapt to any challenge - depends on whether you regard him as a true Heavyweight, though. Larry Holmes would be my pick as a natural Heavyweight. Watching Holmes fight in his prime, especially in the mid of his very long title reign... - the guy could do it all - superb jab, great movement, brilliant timing, could take it inside when he had to, full compliment of punches, solid power in both hands, & excellent ring smarts.

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George Foreman. He practically changed up his style when he returned to fight again after he first retired. good shout. odd case. he was essentially two different fighters. definitely a "versatile" boxer. :cool2: you see what i did?

this is lame, but i'll go with two men. louis and ali. louis is the best and most dangerous offensive fighter in the history of the division, and ali is the fastest, and is the most effective boxer.

George Foreman. He practically changed up his style when he returned to fight again after he first retired.

Teofilo Stevenson.. YEs!!!!!!! absooooolutely without a doubt

Ali was a more of a head hunter, he didn't go to the body enough. If we're talking about a boxer who had the total package, size, speed, inside game, jab etc. Than I would say it is Lennox Lewis. Lewis was great bit his feet were a major liability. He was hit by smaller guys who found a way in. Again lewis was great but ne had a lot of liabiilities including an inconsistant chin.

All I see is a butt hurt post. If you weren't butt hurt, you wouldn't be so mad. You butt hurt fraud. :thinking:

I saw Nady call off Danny's assault. The next thing I know, Vitali is TKO'd for three-and-a-half years. I'm just talking FACTS. Wlad never called out Danny. That tells you all you need to know right there. :rofl: he hit vitali so hard he ran for mayor.

I have always thought it was ali, but im not sure. Ali was one of, if not the best....but versatile? Ali was like Roy Jones. he was so damn talented that he could invent solutions to the problems he had in the ring, but lets not confuse turtle doves with turtle dees: Ali could not throw much of anything other than a jab, he could not fight inside, was dependent on his foot speed for his defense, hardly versatile in my book. A great champ who was versatile would be a guy like Marciano. He had great angles...what we martial artists call tai sabaki, Marciano could punish you from all ranges, had good feet and a chin of stone. The greatest fighters were not necessarily versatile at all, some were some were not. Jack Johnson was another. Great feet great punch assortment, defensively as good as the best.

I think you'll find they are. Hweightblogger.... They were still perfectly legal at that time and were used regularly by most. Copper would have had them in his corner no doubt. Ray Arcel and Freddie Brown were still using them a decade later with Duran and it was still legal.

Lewis's chin? He went down twice in his entire career, Ali hit the deck more times than that and should have had a KO loss to LHW Henry Cooper early in his career. Lewis was a more complete fighter than Ali. Ali went down more times in his career, but when you're tip toeing around the ring you're bound to get knocked over if you get hit with a good punch. Ali got up from all the punches fine (except the cooper one) but Lewis was still on queer street after after a right from McCall and you could have waited till tomorrow and he wouldn't have got up from that punch by Rahman. Oh and Cooper robbery? Obviously you need to go watch Lewis' two robberies against Rey Mercer and an over the hill cruiserweight Evander Holyfield in their second fight.

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Paulie edges him in power, for sure. :rofl: :rofl: I think Derek needs to make a return to these forums. Not been around for a while.

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I'm a Commander Vander fan, but I've never understood why some fans on boxing forums insist that a boxer beating a poster somehow proves their point. (See: "People say Malignaggi can't punch, but he'd be able to KTFO posters on here.") Silly comment. Malignaggi-Derek Coleman. Who wins?

Taking all the facts into consideration, then I'd have to say that Ali comes a close second to Danny Williams. dude danny williams ru serious that guy wuz fat vitali sparked him yu must be a h8ter