On the one hand, when comparing Hagler and Hopkins, Marvin was at the championship level for almost 8 years (1979-1987) while Bernard has been there for TWENTY (1993-2013)...but on the other hand, Bernard has had 62 fights in a 25 YEAR career while Marvin had 67 fights in just a fourteen year career...
I appreciate BHops skill and that he still has it in his late 40s, he gets mass credit for longevity. All that said, Hagler has the advantages in resume and H2H, therefore Hagler is the greater fighter.
I can't believe anyone who has actually watched both fight believe BHop could win a H2H matchup
Hopkins gets a really bad rep for "boring and dirty" fights but they didn't come til he was in his late thirties. Prime Hopkins was a skillful technician that bullied one of the toughest guys in boxing Glenn Johnson and stopped him in an exciting fight.
I give Hagler an edge in middleweight opponents but I rank Hopkins higher for longveity and his light heavyweight resume.
Head to Head I slightly favor Hopkins because if anybody could neutralize Hagler its Hopkins. Hagler would have his most inaccurate night ever.
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Hopkins loses to talented athletes his own size.. Taylor, calsappy, Roy, Dawson... Notice Hopkins was bigger than Cloud and Pascal
Resumee wise it's a close call, Hagler has a better competition, Hopkins longevity.
H2H, it's tricky, stylistically it's a great match up, but boxing has changed.
If they were to fight, prime vs prime at MW, it all depends on what rules one applies.
If they were to fight a 15 rounder with a same day weigh in at 160, I'd definitely favour Hagler. I am not sure B-Hop would feel comfortable at such low weight.
While I see Hopkins highly favored in a 12 rounder with weigh in 24 hours prior to the bout.
People weren't even comparing him to Hagler then.
It's only in recent years Hopkins has been put in that company.
It's more of the longevity that he's had and his success at 175, I agree.
I;m saying simply that if Sergio actually does that, though he probably won't, people will consider him the most dominant Middleweight of his era and since Hopkins was dethroned by Taylor. I doubt they'll compare Sergio to Hopkins or Hagler, because he got started too late, but they'll consider him a dominant Middleweight.
But sadly enough, I see Sergio staying and fighting Murray/Chavez rematches in his next few fights.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying if Sergio actually fought his best fights nearing the end of his career here, and wins them in spectacular fashion, people will consider him the dominant Middleweight of his era.
Back in the late 90's I don't remember hearing anyone compare Hopkins to Hagler, but after Hopkins' run in the early 00's, that's when I started hearing them.
People weren't even comparing him to Hagler then.
It's only in recent years Hopkins has been put in that company.
And if Danny Garcia beats Matthysse, Peterson, Timothy Bradley, Pacquiao & Marquez he'll be the most dominant 140 pound fighter in a long long time! But we know this is a fantasy world. Martinez, sadly enough, isn't interested in fighting the top guys. He wants those paydays (not that I blame him, just saying). So until then, I don't really care to hear about "what ifs".
At least we agree Sergio won't do that. That's why it's funny people expect Floyd to fight someone so much bigger in Sergio, but than Sergio is steady not fighting his own best fights right now.
Martinez really is not in their league.
And both Hopkins and Hagler would pummel him and most likely stop him.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying if Sergio actually fought his best fights nearing the end of his career here, and wins them in spectacular fashion, people will consider him the dominant Middleweight of his era.
Back in the late 90's I don't remember hearing anyone compare Hopkins to Hagler, but after Hopkins' run in the early 00's, that's when I started hearing them.
But if Sergio beats those 4 at 160, he'll have a pretty good resume. Not like Hagler or Hopkins, but he will have been the dominant Middleweight of his era.
He has Pavlik (RING champ 160), Williams (#2 160), Dzinziruk, Macklin (#3 160), and Chavez (#3 160) right now. Pavlik only lost to Hopkins at 170 lbs....and Williams was a dangerous fighter for anyone. Dzinziruk was a highly ranked 154, and Macklin/Chavez were both highly ranked at 160 too. If he cleans out the division by beating those 4, which I DOUBT HE WILL, he'll be a dominant Middleweight from 2010-2015, a significant amount of time to dominate a division.
Martinez really is not in their league.
And both Hopkins and Hagler would pummel him and most likely stop him.
One guy comes to take your heart...........the other comes to steal some rounds!
As a middleweight Hopkins has a nothing record, he fought no one that could raise his status in any way! Much softer than Hagler was in early. Also Hagler was in with Briscoe and Seales and Monroe, Hopkins has no one on his early record like those guys!
I don't hold hopkins high on any list, other than knowing the 3 minute duration as well as anyone. If the ref was a police officer Bernard would be going to jail by the 8th round!!
Is he slippery..yes, is he clever..yes, is he boring YES. Does he make the fight..NO! Are Tarver, J. Taylor great fighters?? NO!!
Theres NO comparisons to Hagler using Bernard Hopkins its a joke anyone who ever saw Hagler LIVE wouldn't even be making this comparison. Bernard hand picks his opponents, he knew if he hit this cloud hard right away the kid would shy out.......and he did!! Don't tell me that kid pressured Bernard he didn't have it in him. Hagler would be on Bernard like stink on sh.t and have a two handed attack going. Might take 10 rounds BUT hagler wouldn't be loosing rounds because Bernard wouldn't be able to steal them!!! Fact! Ray
Martinez' name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. Best wins Chavez & soulless Pavlik. Hagler & Hopkins would have made easy work of Sergio, no doubt.
Anyways, I also wonder about Hagler's first fight with Willie Monroe. There is no tape of it but reports say that Hagler was busted up pretty damn bad, bleeding from the nose & both eyes. I know Hagler was young and took the fight on short notice, but still makes you realize he wasn't always unbeatable against boxers.
"Willie Monroe pummeled a bleeding Marvin Hagler Tuesday night to win a unanimous dcision in a 10 round bout. Monroe, a 160 pound Philadelphian, came out strong against Hagler, a 160 pounder from Brockton, Mass., with left jabs and right hooks. In the 2nd round, Hagler suffered a nose bleed from a short left hook and a straight right hand. In the 5th, Monroe came out with three consecutive uppercuts and Hagler lost his mouthpiece and his nose started to bleed profusely. Hagler tried desperately to battle back and returned with a series of body punches. Monroe picked his opponent apart in the 7th with the jabs and the nose continued to bleed. But in the 8th, Hagler returned with rights and lefts to the body. In the 10th, Monroe took command and put too much pressure on Hagler." -United Press International
Post fight comment
"From the 2nd round, I couldn't breathe. I learned a lot from Monroe and I'm still young." -Marvin Hagler
But if Sergio beats those 4 at 160, he'll have a pretty good resume. Not like Hagler or Hopkins, but he will have been the dominant Middleweight of his era.
He has Pavlik (RING champ 160), Williams (#2 160), Dzinziruk, Macklin (#3 160), and Chavez (#3 160) right now. Pavlik only lost to Hopkins at 170 lbs....and Williams was a dangerous fighter for anyone. Dzinziruk was a highly ranked 154, and Macklin/Chavez were both highly ranked at 160 too. If he cleans out the division by beating those 4, which I DOUBT HE WILL, he'll be a dominant Middleweight from 2010-2015, a significant amount of time to dominate a division.
I watched Hagler when I was very little, I was born in 81'. So I was a little kid watching him, not knowing really what I was watching most likely. Hopkins I grew up with, as I did Jones. I watched them all the time.
Hagler-Hopkins will be a great debate for many many years. The best two Middleweights and the two last dominant Middleweights.
Now if Sergio Martinez actually closes his career cleaning out the division.....fighting Daniel Geale, Gennady Golovkin, Dmitry Pirog, Peter Quillin, etc.....who's to say Sergio wasn't a dominant Middleweight of his era. And we'll throw his name in there.
But yes.....Hagler built up a lot of wins early against club fighters, but damn he also beat some great fighters. Hopkins early Middleweight defenses weren't all that special either.
Hagler should have gotten the W over Antuofermo too, which was his first title shot.
Halger beat Briscoe (#4 160), Minter (#3 160), Obelmeijias (#4 160), he got Antuofermo later on even though he was robbed the first fight, Hamsho (#6 160), Sibson (#2 160), Scypion (#6 160), Duran, Roldan (#6 160), Hearns (#1 160), Mugabi (#1 160).
Hopkins beat Mercado (#7 160), Lipsey (#7 160), Jackson (#9 160), Johnson, Echols (#5 160), Holmes (#3 160), Trinidad (#2 160), Daniels (#8 160), Joppy (#2 160), Allen (#2 160), De La Hoya (#2 160), Eastman (#1 160).
That's just including Hopkins fights at 160, he also has impressive wins at 175 too. I think in the end given Hopkins longevity, he takes Hagler on total resume.
For all those saying Hopkins wouldn't be able to slow the pace down enough or he wasn't 'cute' enough... go watch the Trinidad fight.
Hagler would lose a UD in a competitive fight but one clearly controlled by Bhop
By the same token, I couldnt see Trinidad lasting more than 5 or 6 with Marvin. Hops is the man but..when you say "Iron Chin" that applies to Marvin Hagler more than it doesn anyone in history. Marvin is the poster child for IRON CHIN.
For all those saying Hopkins wouldn't be able to slow the pace down enough or he wasn't 'cute' enough... go watch the Trinidad fight.
Hagler would lose a UD in a competitive fight but one clearly controlled by Bhop
Hopkins with his iron chin and awkward style would have given Hagler nightmares. From what I've seen, Hagler's style would have been easy for B-Hop to exploit.
Watch the Echols fight, and tell me that Hopkins wasn't a mover. SMDH.
Hopkins would move plenty against Hagler. Not to mention, he would ambush Hagler as well. You know not of what you speak.
ever actually watch Hagler fight? I'm not gonna sue you
Hagler is too much of a fighter for B-Hop hth.I don't think Hop would be able to slow the fight down to a pace he would like to work at. Another thing these people should consider is that Hagler himself is a 15 round fighter. Meaning he'll push the pace hard for 12 rounds. Hop would get easily outworked by Hagler imo.
If again we're talking about a prime B-Hop then slowing down the pace wouldn't have been much of an issue as Hopkins would have kept up with him. In the end, I feel Hopkins had the durability, defense, ruggedness; physical strength to stay with him and eventually win a decision. Hagler too much for Hopkins? That sounds like a joke man, he wouldn't have been too much of anything, don't think any MW in history would have been.
I'd back Toney to beat Hopkins at 160 and 168.
Not me, Hopkins didn't take rounds off in his prime, Toney did and that against Hopkins would cost him. Hopkins would have out boxed him.