Tell me one single round which Hopkins CLEARLY won in the Cloud fight.

SugarJ just posted: Wierdly, I wanted Hopkins to win, was glad to see him win and thought he schooled Cloud on a few levels, certainly defensively & in ring generalship. But as a casual obsever without keeping score or listening to the commentators much (noisy room!), my impression was that the fight was pretty close.....nothing like 117-111 material. I did like Cloud's combination work at times and felt that he landed possibly the harder/eye catching blows. He didn't seem to be hurt at any point in the fight, but he did seem to have Hopkins at least respecting his power. Activity wasn't great between the two men, but Cloud as defending champion wasn't given much credit for his aggression. I may watch the fight again, but on impression felt that for all the wily Hopkins great showing, perhaps Cloud should have kept his title and undefeated record with a narrow win or at worst a draw. A challenger should do more than Hopkins did to take a title in my opinion. But as a huge Hopkins fan, I'm still delighted for him and his new record. He was remarkable for his age.........particularly his reflexes! This comment was posted in the other thread a minute ago but Saddler is whiney so he put me on his ignore list. @comment: this is exactly what I am saying the whole time: if you watch the fight without listening to the commentary, you see a total different fight. It was a razor close fight and no way did Hopkins outclass anybody. It was a fight with not a lot happening and both showing at times boxing skills. And yes, for his age Hopkins is really awesome. But did he win the fight? I felt no. Did he do enough to take the title from a champion? HELL NO. And Sugarj sees it the same way I saw it cause he didn't listen to the commentary. End of story. All these HBO or Hopkins fans believe the fairy tale which HBO is telling them about what is happening in the fight because 1.) they don't know any better or 2.) they don't care about the truth. Didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings but that is how I see it. And I am finally glad to see there are quite a few people on this forum who saw it the same way as I did.

It's a good thing you're not a judge.

Stop with that Mute bull$h!t. You need to hear what lands. if you were a boxer would you want a deaf guy to judge a fight? NO so stop that bull$h!t Translation: "In my opinion Cloud won that round". Even if you hear the punches, you can't always tell if the punch lands in the face or on the gloves (meaning if the punch is blocked or not).

Do you know what the problem with you is? You fall for HBO's pro-Hopkins cheerleading. You said round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round". I rewatched that round and I felt Cloud won it. It was somehow close, but I felt Cloud won it. Did you see his bodyshots? Can't you see that Hopkins doesn't do a lot, and 50 % of what he does is shoe shining, meaning throwing punches which don't even connect? I heard HBO was cheerleading really hard for Hopkins in this round, and I guess Mr. S. Bum Saddler was influenced by the cheerleaders named Lampley and Co. Or do you want to tell me Hopkins "Clearly won that round" when you watch that round muted? If you think round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round", then I am done talking with you. What a joke. Round 7 a "clear Hopkins round"?? Here is round 7 (muted): Stop with that Mute bull$h!t. You need to hear what lands. if you were a boxer would you want a deaf guy to judge a fight? NO so stop that bull$h!t

damn...you know the world is f*cked up when senior citizens and war vets are being discredited...smh

Another round you scored for Hopkins is round 8. Here is round 8 muted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpIwKROd2eA I scored this round for Cloud (and so did Harold Lederman by the way) Cloud came out on fire, easily won the first minute of the round. Some good, not quite clean but clean enough head and body shots. Hopkins definitely took control in the second minute, landed plenty enough jabs and counter rights to even the round to this point. Cloud landed a few bombs in the last minute, I remember those being his best punches of the entire fight. Definite Cloud round IMO. He did all the fighting at the beginning, and landed the best punches of the round at the end. So you're right about this one.

................. Round 8: 10-9 Hopkins (Hopkins lands a left hook right at the start of the round and sneaks in a bodyshot before blocking almost every punch in a Cloud rally save for a return bodyshot that gets in, Cloud is employing a more insistent, authoritative jab now though, Hopkins replying with his own sporadically but looking more passive, like he's taking time out to observe while Cloud takes the initiative, Cloud directs him to the ropes and Hopkins complies, but those small movements off the ropes are making Cloud miss as he tries to unload, Hopkins landing little counters in reply, notably a nice counter right uppercut, while Cloud can only land glancingly if at all, Hopkins absorbing bodyshots on his arms as they turn out into centre ring, action goes to the opposite ropes and Hopkins lands that counter right uppercut again while Cloud gets in a left to the body, Cloud backs Hopkins into a corner but it's Hopkins who lands his jab and pops Cloud's head up with a sharp left uppercut, action breaks and Cloud has a left hook blocked but follows up with a big right hand that lands well and draws a good crowd reaction, he clubs Hopkins with a left hook as Hopkins turns away, Hopkins responds with his own hard right hand though, now sliding along the ropes and making Cloud miss, instigating exchanges that yield no consequential blows from either man, Hopkins lands his jab near the end of the round making Cloud reach and miss badly with the attempted counter right over the top – closest round since the first two, by dint of the short spell of authority Cloud displayed behind his jab plus the big right he landed, but I can't score it for Cloud, even if Lederman and most fans do, Hopkins was still the dictator for too much of the round and still did more of the better work in terms of defence and clean punching overall) ........................ Another round you scored for Hopkins is round 8. Here is round 8 muted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpIwKROd2eA I scored this round for Cloud (and so did Harold Lederman by the way)

Saddler just watched round 7 muted and fell of his stool. and for the record: I am not a Hopkins hater. By the way, I scored both Hopkins vs Pascal fights for Hopkins.

The punch stats showed Bernard landed more punches and the harder punches.

raskat, if you're trolling, congrats, you got a reaction. If you really do think this fight was close and possibly a draw, then you are really bad at scoring fights. I'm not going to pretend I've never scored a fight the opposite of what the majority has, but in this case you are definitely wrong.

my friends called my card crazy but I had it a draw myself, I saw cloud jabbing more at times and banging the body more. I will have to watch the replay n rescore...have fun watchin the fights fellas This. Right here.

Cloud was game and fought a tough fight. At the end of the day, Hopkins took Cloud out of his game, controlled the pace and, to me, landed the cleaner shots. I'm not on here saying Hopkins completely destroyed him, but he deserved the win. What he did was pretty incredible. He's 48.

This is just RIDICULOUS! :no:

not funny... Nice edit there retard. Trying to get rid of the evidence of your clear ignorance? This guy....:dunce:

Blinded by BHop hate. This guy is obviously skillist! Clear prejudice against skill. Cotto beat Floyd. Cloud beat Hopkins. Bika beat Ward. What's next, Gatti was winning on the cards against Floyd before a BS stoppage, thus he should have won....tko6? Calzaghe actually got pwned by Lacy so bad that we couldn't comprehend it? You're a blind fool raskat. You can't see what's even going on because you hate the guys you are watching too much. Stick with the Klitschkos mate.

Hopkins destroyed Cloud. It wasn't even close and I gave Cloud 1 round. Hopkins also busted him open with a punch, not a head butt.

Hopkins lands a good left, a jab, and a body shot uppercut combo in the first minute, Cloud lands nothing of note, just some grazing jabs to the body. They get into some exchanges in the second minute, one that Cloud wins with two good body shots, the others Hopkins clearly winning by making Cloud miss and landing good body shots and some crisp jabs. The final minute is Hopkins moving effectively, occasionally landing a jab or right hand, with a nice combo near the end of the round. The only effective shots Cloud lands in the entire round are two right hands to the body. Clear, clear, clear Hopkins round. not funny...

Do you know what the problem with you is? You fall for HBO's pro-Hopkins cheerleading. You said round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round". I rewatched that round and I felt Cloud won it. It was somehow close, but I felt Cloud won it. Did you see his bodyshots? Can't you see that Hopkins doesn't do a lot, and 50 % of what he does is shoe shining, meaning throwing punches which don't even connect? I heard HBO was cheerleading really hard for Hopkins in this round, and I guess Mr. S. Bum Saddler was influenced by the cheerleaders named Lampley and Co. Or do you want to tell me Hopkins "Clearly won that round" when you watch that round muted? If you think round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round", then I am done talking with you. What a joke. Round 7 a "clear Hopkins round"?? Here is round 7 (muted): Hopkins lands a good left, a jab, and a body shot uppercut combo in the first minute, Cloud lands nothing of note, just some grazing jabs to the body. They get into some exchanges in the second minute, one that Cloud wins with two good body shots, the others Hopkins clearly winning by making Cloud miss and landing good body shots and some crisp jabs. The final minute is Hopkins moving effectively, occasionally landing a jab or right hand, with a nice combo near the end of the round. The only effective shots Cloud lands in the entire round are two right hands to the body. Clear, clear, clear Hopkins round.

my friends called my card crazy but I had it a draw myself, I saw cloud jabbing more at times and banging the body more. I will have to watch the replay n rescore...have fun watchin the fights fellas

blablabla Do you know what the problem with you is? You fall for HBO's pro-Hopkins cheerleading. You said round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round". I rewatched that round and I felt Cloud won it. It was somehow close, but I felt Cloud won it. Did you see his bodyshots? Can't you see that Hopkins doesn't do a lot, and 50 % of what he does is shoe shining, meaning throwing punches which don't even connect? I heard HBO was cheerleading really hard for Hopkins in this round, and I guess Mr. S. Bum Saddler was influenced by the cheerleaders named Lampley and Co. Or do you want to tell me Hopkins "Clearly won that round" when you watch that round muted? If you think round 7 is a "clear Hopkins round", then I am done talking with you. What a joke. Round 7 a "clear Hopkins round"?? Here is round 7 (muted):