We've never seen Bernard Hopkins definitively beaten. Chad Dawson and maybe Calzaghe gave him his worst beatings in recent years. Both of those losses werent beatings by any stretch. They were both close and competitive fights. How do you beat Hopkins 117 - 111 or wider? Or better yet, how would someone go in and STOP hopkins. I know a lot of fighters and trainers peruse the board, gimme some of your expert opinion and insight.
One thing's for certain, you can't be limited and one dimensional. Hopkins eats up that style for breakfast. Even skilled come forward fighters like Trinidad, that style he excels against also.
That's why I was so certain Cloud would be embarrassed by Hopkins.
Even if you're as limited as Cloud is, you need to have crushing one punch power to even have a remote chance and Cloud doesn't have that. He didn't even have a punchers chance.
Someone like Pavlik, who is worlds better than Cloud, is Hopkins dream. Cloud had no chance.
In his prime, be one of Roy, Hagler, Monzon or SRR. Nowadays, he can be outslicked or outworked, but either approach has to be wedded to intelligence, and Pascal and Cloud are not (comparatively) intelligent fighters
Martinez's defense has never been anywhere near good enough to withstand Hopkins's counter right hands. Hopkins's excellent timing and anticipation would have been too much for Sergio (his reflexes aren't in the same league as RJJ's). Even Chavez Jr had a 40% success rate with his slow jab..
I mostly agree with you but I was just looking for guys who could actually make it to the fight and not have given up already, the list gets shorter when mental toughness is factored in when going against Hopkins.
Any time Cloud gained momentum Hopkins figured it out and stuffed in, usually with a clean right hand. After the 3rd or 4th time Cloud was lost.
Yeah I noticed, especially when Hopkins sidestepped his ass while he lunged into the ropes. Hopkins reflexes aren't too shabby.
We need a real swarmer in there, Hopkins probably creates his next 5 moves while these young guys think of 2. I don't know who that is and I really doubt some young guy is going to outplay Hopkins at his own game right now.
Unless Ward went up in weight and fought Hopkins, I don't know who I would pick.
And it's impossible for Toney to ever get in shape. He is the burger king.
You have to forget the fact you're fighting some boxing technician supposedly some ATG HOFer and **** him up, now. He's close to 50 and Cloud was prolly ****ting his pants in the ring he forgot Bernard was 48.
Need a non-sloppy, someone who can actually cut the ring, and a real work rate that won't crumble aka will to win. I honestly felt Cloud lost the mind games and his mind gave in, he just felt he couldn't beat Hopkins.
Any time Cloud gained momentum Hopkins figured it out and stuffed in, usually with a clean right hand. After the 3rd or 4th time Cloud was lost.
You have to forget the fact you're fighting some boxing technician supposedly some ATG HOFer and **** him up, now. He's close to 50 and Cloud was prolly ****ting his pants in the ring he forgot Bernard was 48.
Need a non-sloppy, someone who can actually cut the ring, and a real work rate that won't crumble aka will to win. I honestly felt Cloud lost the mind games and his mind gave in, he just felt he couldn't beat Hopkins.
Martinez would have been a good fight, I think he is enough of a showman and fast enough to possibly win rounds definitively. still dont think it would be a clear victory since Sergio would likely fade down the stretch. too bad they came around at MW at different times
Martinez's defense has never been anywhere near good enough to withstand Hopkins's counter right hands. Hopkins's excellent timing and anticipation would have been too much for Sergio (his reflexes aren't in the same league as RJJ's). Even Chavez Jr had a 40% success rate with his slow jab..
Martinez would have been a good fight, I think he is enough of a showman and fast enough to possibly win rounds definitively. still dont think it would be a clear victory since Sergio would likely fade down the stretch. too bad they came around at MW at different times
Watch out for Hopkins's right hand throughout the whole fight. Duck his jabs and move to his left. Keep close to him but avoid clinching with your head anywhere near his. Pressure him to the ropes and bang the body for the first 6 rounds. Watch out for his head and the right. When he tires, start scoring to the head. Don't go for the KO, just keep busier and outwork him to win on the scorecards. You won't catch Hopkins centre-ring unless you set up your punches with range-finding jabs and good leverage. Oh and that right uppercut. Avoid.