Who benefits from Manny Pacquiao Vs Juan Marquez 5?

Thats pretty stupid!!! Juan and Manny benefit............and anyone working for the show or on the show!! Boxing benefits too because when its all said and done (eventually) this is a great match up between two evenly matched top rated pros!! Down the line it will be remembered that way too! Ray. arum is no fool... he won't last as a big time promoter if he is not wise with his money.... and being wise with his money means he is putting up fights that people go to see... that people pay to see... and in the process many other people benefit too...fighters, trainers etc...

I don't understand how you can aim for a more conclusive ending. Short of Marquez finally getting old enough for Manny to beat him up and stop him. That's what most of you seem to be aiming for. A knockout is a knockout. It renders the cards irrelevant. Especially considering Manny was only up by one or two rounds. Although if you want to get cute, Manny suffered a rather serious knockdown in the 6th round. Marquez would be up on the cards if you were scoring it at the time of the stoppage. This wasn't a cuts stoppage, this was a brutal one punch KO that Marquez had already started hitting Manny with repeatedly. They are when they are one punch knockouts. If Manny had knocked out Marquez, no-one would want a rematch. You can score any of the first three eitherway. I scored the first and third for Marquez, the second for Manny. The fourth, you cannot give to Manny. That's conclusive. This seems like grasping at the straws, rather badly. Whatever they are on, I'm damn sure Memo and Ariza have the expertise to avoid testing positive. That's the game right now. Hope it changes in the future, but it's the truth. That's fair. If I'd was less of a Pac fan, I'd also wish for him retiring. But you gotta remember all these guys are prizefighters. JMM has never made superstar money like Pac. You're asking him to walk away and rip up the winning ticket. He's not in the RJJ/Toney territory here.

If manny ko's him then it'll increase his legacy for over coming his greatest rival after being KO 'd by him. If Marquez wins then idk it'll be good for him to tho. At least bank wise. PAC needs this fight and the Bradley fight and they both have to be dominating wins.

Marquez-Rios Great fight PPV worthy Bradley-Marquez interesting fight that Marquez possibly can win.. PPV If billed and promoted right as the last two to beat Pac... Could generate alot of money And if he fought Rios in Mexico that would generate big Dollars.. Pac is actually the one who needs Marquez, too generate the dollars he has been making .. Hes coming off two straight losses.. Marquez will generate enough money without Pac from here on out.. Not as large of an amount, but if hes able to beat these guys after KO'ing Pac to me its a much bigger accomplishment.. Everybody knows Bradley lost to Pacquaio and Pac has 2 wins vs Marquez 1 win over Pac. Marquez vs Bradley (or against another opponents) will never earn the kind of money than them against Pac. Not to mention both can't afford to lose one another's if they don't want to throw away their highest payday if they rematch Pac.

Toney, Jones Jr, Tarver, Peterson, Mayorga, Klitschko, Holyfield, Salido, Botha, Berto, Macarinelli, Guzman, Morrison, Vargas and plenty more. Don't get me wrong, there are surely some who have beat the system but there are enough big names getting caught out to justify reasonable faith in stringent testing imo. Holyfield's stupid ass never tested positive. He just made it patently obvious that he was. I admit that is more of a list than I remembered, but the only ones that stand out to me (at the time they tested positive) would be Toney, Vargas and Roy Jones. Klitschko was still an amateur. I still believe that, like with cycling, the guys at the top have access to guys with the knowledge which allows them to bypass the test. So why wouldn't they? I can hardly blame them. Hopefully there are some real waves which changes the testing situation for the better, but until then, I'm not going to put much stock into it.

The Philippines benefits, if Manny wins of course..

Well they both get a lot of extra cash for fighting someone they already fought with 4 times. I wouldn't be surprise if they hung out between fights and chatted about eachothers style or something

Could you give me a quick list of the more important ones? They're slipping my mind at the moment. The stand-out off the top of my head would be Roy Jones, especially since Mosley never tested positive. Toney, Jones Jr, Tarver, Peterson, Mayorga, Klitschko, Holyfield, Salido, Botha, Berto, Macarinelli, Guzman, Morrison, Vargas and plenty more. Don't get me wrong, there are surely some who have beat the system but there are enough big names getting caught out to justify reasonable faith in stringent testing imo. What did i type? Did i not say Manny was ahead? The cards were perfect from all three judges. You said the KO was against the run of play. That implies it came out of nowhere.....it really didn't. Though it's good to see you are still emotionally traumatised. I wasn't implying it came out of nowhere, he dropped him in the second or third round so it always a possibility. My point was Pacquiao was winning which maintains the interest in the 5th fight. If Marquez was dominating Pacquiao before KO-ing him, there would be much less demand for a rematch.

Marquez-Rios Great fight PPV worthy Bradley-Marquez interesting fight that Marquez possibly can win.. PPV If billed and promoted right as the last two to beat Pac... Could generate alot of money And if he fought Rios in Mexico that would generate big Dollars.. Pac is actually the one who needs Marquez, too generate the dollars he has been making .. Hes coming off two straight losses.. Marquez will generate enough money without Pac from here on out.. Not as large of an amount, but if hes able to beat these guys after KO'ing Pac to me its a much bigger accomplishment..

10 years from now we will be begging to have two top fighters like this face off. It's not always about moving pieces around on some imaginary boxing chessboard and trying to quantify someone's legacy - many times that turns out to be a fool's errand. It's about the memories of the fights... and these two have produced big time. (unless they are still fighting each other 10 years from now)

Forget attacking me, who was ahead on all three cards? Pacquiao was winning the fight, Marquez dropped him and actually won the fight. It happens, that's boxing, but it keeps a rematch interesting. What did i type? Did i not say Manny was ahead? The cards were perfect from all three judges. You said the KO was against the run of play. That implies it came out of nowhere.....it really didn't. Though it's good to see you are still emotionally traumatised.

I don't agree with this in that if you look at the names who have been caught over the years, you have world champions and pfp stars in the list. I also don't buy into the idea that every top fighter is a cheat, that's the mentality the cheats use to justify their actions. Could you give me a quick list of the more important ones? They're slipping my mind at the moment. The stand-out off the top of my head would be Roy Jones, especially since Mosley never tested positive. Anyway, as a boxing fan, I'm looking forward to Pacquiao v Marquez 5, I think it will be a great fight for the sport - and I say that as someone who didn't want Pac-Marquez 4 because the third fight was boring (and a robbery). :grumpy:

A rematch of one of the best fights of 2012, the biggest fight of 2013. The fans win.

Manny was winning but the KO wasn't against the run of play. Forget attacking me, who was ahead on all three cards? Pacquiao was winning the fight, Marquez dropped him and actually won the fight. It happens, that's boxing, but it keeps a rematch interesting.

A few things... (1) Pacquiao was winning the fight, the Marquez KO was against the "run of play" (to borrow a soccer phrase). It was an ending certainly, conclusive? not for some. (2) There have been plenty of rematches following knockouts, they're not conclusive of themselves, particularly when there have been 3 prior close fights. (3) Pacquiao officially leads the "series" 2-1 with one draw. Many believe it's really 2 wins each, so a 5th fight makes sense from that perspective. (4) The drug-testing issue. Never have these two fought under drug testing, if one was to believe all the accusations thrown around, this fight could be the first "clean" fight in the eyes of many. Manny was winning but the KO wasn't against the run of play. He already rocked him badly with an overhand and it's clear he was looking for the big shot. If you watch the entire 6th round all JMM is doing is trying to time a big counter right hand. You've got your goggles on is all. Same issue you have with the Hatton vs Mayweather fight. Complaining that he got rocked by a ring post when in fact the fight nearly ended in the 8th round after a barrage that started from the exact same counter hook in the exact same corner. Bottom line is that the last two fights in the series have been conclusive for JMM. That doesn't mean a 5th fight doesn't make sense, but it isn't about any existential reasons for JMM other than money. For Manny it's different, he's the one who kissed the canvas.

I'm pretty sure they're both juicing, along with every other elite in the sport. But I think they are the tier that have the money to ensure the best service, i.e. not getting caught. The ones who have been caught out are a few tiers lower, at best I would love to see testing if I had to see a 5th fight, but I don't think it justifies a return. I don't agree with this in that if you look at the names who have been caught over the years, you have world champions and pfp stars in the list. I also don't buy into the idea that every top fighter is a cheat, that's the mentality the cheats use to justify their actions. Anyway, as a boxing fan, I'm looking forward to Pacquiao v Marquez 5, I think it will be a great fight for the sport - and I say that as someone who didn't want Pac-Marquez 4 because the third fight was boring (and a robbery).

Money has lots to do with it. That's why it's sometimes known as prize fighting. Their legacies are both pretty will set but a great performance against a great fighter always helps. At this point I think Pacquiao gains a bit more prestige with a clear win over Marquez than the other way around. Marquez has his clear win over Pacquiao but all of Pacquiao wins are disputed. Marquez will probably make between 10 and 20 million and Pacquiao will probably make between 20 and 30 million. That's a damn good reason to fight.

I'm not aiming for anything, I like both fighters. Maybe not you specifically, but there are certainly transparent ones who do. Like Arum A fair point, but what does that matter? the fact that Marquez now has KO power as well as Pacquiao makes a rematch more interesting. He's always had that power. He's just preferred to play it careful since his shock experience in their first round of fighting. He threw that caution to the wind, he was hurt badly like he was in the first round of the first fight, and he also landed the punches he needed to to pull out a very concussive win. Actually I'm not certain no one would want a rematch if Marquez was winning the fight and had dropped Pacquiao. I guess that does depend on how Marquez looked. But my guess is that Marquez would've looked like an aged fighter even more than he did in the fourth fight, had he been the one that was stopped. I'm going to be realistic about Marquez, great performance last time out but that looked like a swansong to me. He looked very stiff and slower than usual. I disagree. Stringent testing catches these cheats out*, we've seen it enough times. Get that VADA on. * not saying any of those guys are cheats, talking about drug cheats in boxing in general. I'm pretty sure they're both juicing, along with every other elite in the sport. But I think they are the tier that have the money to ensure the best service, i.e. not getting caught. The ones who have been caught out are a few tiers lower, at best I would love to see testing if I had to see a 5th fight, but I don't think it justifies a return.

I don't understand how you can aim for a more conclusive ending. Short of Marquez finally getting old enough for Manny to beat him up and stop him. That's what most of you seem to be aiming for. A knockout is a knockout. It renders the cards irrelevant. Especially considering Manny was only up by one or two rounds. Although if you want to get cute, Manny suffered a rather serious knockdown in the 6th round. Marquez would be up on the cards if you were scoring it at the time of the stoppage. This wasn't a cuts stoppage, this was a brutal one punch KO that Marquez had already started hitting Manny with repeatedly. I'm not aiming for anything, I like both fighters. They are when they are one punch knockouts. If Manny had knocked out Marquez, no-one would want a rematch. A fair point, but what does that matter? the fact that Marquez now has KO power as well as Pacquiao makes a rematch more interesting. Actually I'm not certain no one would want a rematch if Marquez was winning the fight and got dropped. This seems like grasping at the straws, rather badly. Whatever they are on, I'm damn sure Memo and Ariza have the expertise to avoid testing positive. That's the game right now. Hope it changes in the future, but it's the truth. I disagree. Stringent testing catches these cheats out*, we've seen it enough times. Get that VADA on. * not saying any of those guys are cheats, talking about drug cheats in boxing in general.

A few things... (1) Pacquiao was winning the fight, the Marquez KO was against the "run of play" (to borrow a soccer phrase). It was an ending certainly, conclusive? not for some. I don't understand how you can aim for a more conclusive ending. Short of Marquez finally getting old enough for Manny to beat him up and stop him. That's what most of you seem to be aiming for. A knockout is a knockout. It renders the cards irrelevant. Especially considering Manny was only up by one or two rounds. Although if you want to get cute, Manny suffered a rather serious knockdown in the 6th round. Marquez would be up on the cards if you were scoring it at the time of the stoppage. This wasn't a cuts stoppage, this was a brutal one punch KO that Marquez had already started hitting Manny with repeatedly. (2) There have been plenty of rematches following knockouts, they're not conclusive of themselves, particularly when there have been 3 prior close fights. They are when they are one punch knockouts. If Manny had knocked out Marquez, no-one would want a rematch. (3) Pacquiao officially leads the "series" 2-1 with one draw. Many believe it's really 2 wins each, so a 5th fight makes sense from that perspective. You can score any of the first three eitherway. I scored the first and third for Marquez, the second for Manny. The fourth, you cannot give to Manny. That's conclusive. (4) The drug-testing issue. Never have these two fought under drug testing, if one was to believe all the accusations thrown around, this fight could be the first "clean" fight in the eyes of many. This seems like grasping at the straws, rather badly. Whatever they are on, I'm damn sure Memo and Ariza have the expertise to avoid testing positive. That's the game right now. Hope it changes in the future, but it's the truth.