Comments Thread For: Cotto Would Not Rule Out Facing Sergio Martinez

Martinez fights on the inside, outside, has excellent countering abilities and can beat any style of boxer. Pac's team carefully guided Pac away from boxer types in favor of fighting sluggers who would trade with him because Pac doesn't look good against that type of fighter. Martinez beat an undefeated Dzinziruk using nothing more than a jab which was Dzinriruk's best weapon. He took on the much taller Paul Williams on two week's notice and beat him to a pulp but since he wasn't the big name, they gave it to Williams. In the rematch though, it only took Martinez two rounds to adapt and lay Williams out cold......Pac never did that with Marquez, in fact he actually regressed in every rematch he had with JMM....instead of adapting and getting better, he slipped more and more in every fight because JMM was just better at adapting than Pac is. See this is why I appreciate the likes of Sergio in the ring...he can adjust to nearly any fighting style as he has done by fighting the likes of Williams, Dzinziruk, Chavez Jr., and Pavlik...And on top of that, he can either crack his opponent with one shot or shoot a combo to the body and head and dip out of the pocket... As far as a fight between him and Cotto possibly happening....no way...Cotto is better off going after Canelo...if he beat Trout then Canelo would be fighting him instead of Austin anyway...

Why does every single thread on this site turn into a Mayweather/Pacquiao thread after about 30-50 posts? One guy claims Martinez would beat Cotto because he's a bigger version of Pac and all the *******s come flying in like flies to ****. Exactly this has nothing to do with them. There's plenty of other threads about them.

Was JMM the tougher opponent for Pac yes or no? You got people here who said team Pac ducked Bradley (a fighter most people believe he beat) to fight JMM (a fighter most people believe beat him in the 3rd fight). I mean, how retarded is that? You got plenty of people saying that Bradley ducked Khan to fight Pac too....just saying.

Another one who clearly talks out of his ass with fights he most likely didn't see. What would be your take on Margarito/Garcia?

martinez is a bigger version of prime pacquiao. props no need to cotto because its already a given. Why does every single thread on this site turn into a Mayweather/Pacquiao thread after about 30-50 posts? One guy claims Martinez would beat Cotto because he's a bigger version of Pac and all the *******s come flying in like flies to ****.

Was JMM the tougher opponent for Pac yes or no? You got people here who said team Pac ducked Bradley (a fighter most people believe he beat) to fight JMM (a fighter most people believe beat him in the 3rd fight). I mean, how retarded is that? No doubt JMM was the tougher opponent. Team Pacquiao mainly fought him because he was their best option after Cotto. Bradley fight was a stank bomb.

They chose JMM because Cotto would not agree to another catch weight before the 3rd and 4th rematch(es) with JMM. Also, JMM was the bigger money fight. Margarito was suspended for a year, came back and had a competitive fight with a no one. Williams was a much tougher fight than Margarito. So was Kelly Pavlik. Was JMM the tougher opponent for Pac yes or no? You got people here who said team Pac ducked Bradley (a fighter most people believe he beat) to fight JMM (a fighter most people believe beat him in the 3rd fight). I mean, how retarded is that?

Yeah, Oscar cherrypicked (that was the intention) on a guy who ended up weighing more than him on fight night (likely because of a fight night weight agreement) same way Pac tried to cherrypick on a near 40 year old Marquez by making him move up two weight classes. Honestly, does it seem logical to you for a guy who used to fight at middleweight to come down to 147 and only rehydrate a pound? http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8568/45912690zp7.jpg No but he'd talked about his special diet, and how they were in the 140s weeks in advance iirc. Mismanaged his weight, what can you say. Any theory you have better pass my 4 hard criteria.

Don't give me your suspicions, I asked you for proof of a fight night limitation. You brought it up, not me, and now you're backpedaling like Khan. For once you're right, no doubt DLH was trying to cherrypick a midget. Blew up spectacularly. Yeah, Oscar cherrypicked (that was the intention) on a guy who ended up weighing more than him on fight night (likely because of a fight night weight agreement) same way Pac tried to cherrypick on a near 40 year old Marquez by making him move up two weight classes. Honestly, does it seem logical to you for a guy who used to fight at middleweight to come down to 145 and only rehydrate 2 pounds? http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8568/45912690zp7.jpg

I'm not debating the Bradley fight. I actually feel like Bob Arum put the fix in but that's a whole other argument/debate. JMM/Pacquiao 3 could have went to JMM and no one would have been upset about it. Actually it was quite the opposite with people being upset that Marquez got robbed. Manny even had to curse his fello Pinoys out for saying and thinking he lost. Martinez is leaving no doubts. OK we're on the same page on how it went. It's a little disingenuous to say he lost both fights. Him winning both of them is more justifiable than losing both.

Please don't waste my time with this. Do I need to pull those press row scores showing Pac Bradley a one sided rout, JMM 3 a textbook draw? I'm not debating the Bradley fight. I actually feel like Bob Arum put the fix in but that's a whole other argument/debate. JMM/Pacquiao 3 could have went to JMM and no one would have been upset about it. Actually it was quite the opposite with people being upset that Marquez got robbed. Manny even had to curse his fello Pinoys out for saying and thinking he lost. Martinez is leaving no doubts.

I'm not giving him props for Mosley, I'm saying it's his worst opponent in years. Even so he was Ring top 5 at the time, you can check. Next year he became Canelo's best win so far (I guess?) at 154, where he wasn't even ranked. Clottey was top 5 in Ring or any other reasonable rankings. He'd just made Judah retire mid fight, then dropped his belt to face Cotto since the sanctioning body wouldn't let them unify. Then gave Cotto a tough fight, so much so Floyd had him winning. Top 5 crystal clear. Heck if he could make 147 and came in sharp, he's better than most of the top 5 right now. You saw those polls, him vs Guerrero/Devon, was a rout. I even thought Clottey won it but what made him lose is him not being active towards the end rounds. Underachiever at best. All in all, he lost to Cotto and Manny still fought him. Mosley was a fight Bob Arum said prior to making it that it was a worthless fight. Of course Mosley was Canelo's best win because Canelo has fought worst then Mosley up until that point.

Whether you believe it or not is your problem, I'm just showing you their fight night weight, which shows that Pac actually weighed more than DLH on fight night. I wouldn't be surprised if there had been an arranged same day weight of 150 and De La Hoya killed himself to make the limit. Seeing as Pac would have to move up 2 divisions (like Marquez did against Pac) Oscar must have thought it would have been an easy win against a P4P rated opponent so he gave away some leeway while in turn getting the bulk of the purse for the "easy" win. http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8568/45912690zp7.jpg Don't give me your suspicions, I asked you for proof of a fight night limitation. You brought it up, not me, and now you're backpedaling like Khan. For once you're right, no doubt DLH was trying to cherrypick a midget. Blew up spectacularly.

What does that prove, that the rehydration limit was 148.5 and DLH missed it by 1.5 lbs? :rofl: 1. If there was a rehydration limit, don't you think he'd hit the very max weight allowed? Provided he managed his weight correctly, which he clearly did not. Which is the only reason he came in at 147. 2. There's 0 chance a 2lb (or 1.5lb :lol1:) rehydration limit would be medically cleared in a first world country. That's worse than same day weighin, which is deemed unsafe. You're asking him to drop down on regular weighin, then allow only 2lb rehydration. No chance 3. There's 0 chance DLH, who called the shots, would sign such a debilitating clause 4. There's 0 chance the guy who preannounces meeting his sobriety targets on twitter as big news in boxing would never leak that, after such pathetic exit from the sport. Whether you believe it or not is your problem, I'm just showing you their fight night weight, which shows that Pac actually weighed more than DLH on fight night. I wouldn't be surprised if there had been an arranged same day weight of 150 and De La Hoya killed himself to make the limit. Seeing as Pac would have to move up 2 divisions (like Marquez did against Pac) Oscar must have thought it would have been an easy win against a P4P rated opponent so he gave away some leeway while in turn getting the bulk of the purse for the "easy" win. http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8568/45912690zp7.jpg

But Pacquiao lost to Bradley and JMM. He fought top guys but he didn't beat them. Now you're going to mention he was robbed in the Bradley fight Ok sure but technically it is still considered a L on paper AND Pacquiao has had 3 debatable fights with Marquez and got KO'd brutally in the 4th fight. Manny has been on a losing streak and hasn't looked impressive since beat Margarito. Martinez is on a roll. He has KO'd 4 opponents back to back and shut out another. Martinez fought guys who were winning while Manny not so much. Not to mention two of his best wins in years (Cotto/Margarito) were catch weight title fights. You have your opinion like everyone else but technically Martinez is just a better fighter than Manny (In my opinion) you don't have to agree. Please don't waste my time with this. Do I need to pull those press row scores showing Pac Bradley a one sided rout, JMM 3 a textbook draw?

cute. Say it after me, Bradley was Ring top 10 p4p before the Pac fight But Pacquiao lost to Bradley and JMM. He fought top guys but he didn't beat them. Now you're going to mention he was robbed in the Bradley fight Ok sure but technically it is still considered a L on paper AND Pacquiao has had 3 debatable fights with Marquez and got KO'd brutally in the 4th fight. Manny has been on a losing streak and hasn't looked impressive since beat Margarito. Martinez is on a roll. He has KO'd 4 opponents back to back and shut out another. Martinez fought guys who were winning while Manny not so much. Not to mention two of his best wins in years (Cotto/Margarito) were catch weight title fights. You have your opinion like everyone else but technically Martinez is just a better fighter than Manny (In my opinion) you don't have to agree.

You are seriously bugging. I'm going to leave Cotto and Hatton out of this because I give Manny partial credit for those wins but lets be real. Cotto was coming off of a hard 12 round with Joshua Clottey and had a nasty cut on his head to heal from. Not to mention have to fight at a catch weight. That's Cotto fault so won't blame Pacquiao for it but in actuality it is documented that after Pacquiao seen Cotto struggle in the Clottey fight he immediately wanted to fight him. Clottey? That guy hasn't won a significant fight in YEARS! He was coming off of a loss to a guy Manny pulverized. Clottey was/is no top fighter. Mosley? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to give Pacquiao props for Mosley? Manny ducked Shane after he KO'd Margarito. Only fought him after Floyd and Mora. David Diaz was not the best fighter in 135LB division at the time. Nate Campbell was and they didn't want none of him or any of the other top guys. David Diaz was a weak champion. How can you crap on Sergio Martinez resume but praise Manny's? Martinez took 0's back to back homie. You too caught up with the name and popularity aspect. Again, technically (like I have stated previously on this thread) skill wise Martinez is better. Manny don't even have a jab to rely on. I'm not giving him props for Mosley, I'm saying it's his worst opponent in years. Even so he was Ring top 5 at the time, you can check. Next year he became Canelo's best win so far (I guess?) at 154, where he wasn't even ranked. Clottey was top 5 in Ring or any other reasonable rankings. He'd just made Judah retire mid fight, then dropped his belt to face Cotto since the sanctioning body wouldn't let them unify. Then gave Cotto a tough fight, so much so Floyd had him winning. Top 5 crystal clear. Heck if he could make 147 and came in sharp, he's better than most of the top 5 right now. You saw those polls, him vs Guerrero/Devon, was a rout.

If you want to know Pac is currently #7 on the list (and #4 at welterweight) after getting KO'd and arguably losing three fights in a row. http://speaktoall.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/pac-man-knocked-out.jpg cute. Say it after me, Bradley was Ring top 10 p4p before the Pac fight

World class = top 3 Cotto, champ Hatton, top 5 Clottey, p4p Bradley, p4p JMM. Even Mosley was Ring top 5, and that's his worst opponent since David Diaz. Even freaking David Diaz was a top 5 beltholder, which is more than Barker, Macklin, Murray can say. When these guys retire, I wonder if they'll have a single belt between them. You are seriously bugging. I'm going to leave Cotto and Hatton out of this because I give Manny partial credit for those wins but lets be real. Cotto was coming off of a hard 12 round with Joshua Clottey and had a nasty cut on his head to heal from. Not to mention have to fight at a catch weight. That's Cotto fault so won't blame Pacquiao for it but in actuality it is documented that after Pacquiao seen Cotto struggle in the Clottey fight he immediately wanted to fight him. Clottey? That guy hasn't won a significant fight in YEARS! He was coming off of a loss to a guy Manny pulverized. Clottey was/is no top fighter. Mosley? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to give Pacquiao props for Mosley? Manny ducked Shane after he KO'd Margarito. Only fought him after Floyd and Mora. David Diaz was not the best fighter in 135LB division at the time. Nate Campbell was and they didn't want none of him or any of the other top guys. David Diaz was a weak champion. How can you crap on Sergio Martinez resume but praise Manny's? Martinez took 0's back to back homie. You too caught up with the name and popularity aspect. Again, technically (like I have stated previously on this thread) skill wise Martinez is better. Manny don't even have a jab to rely on.

Here you go clown: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8568/45912690zp7.jpg What does that prove, that the rehydration limit was 148.5 and DLH missed it by 1.5 lbs? :rofl: 1. If there was a rehydration limit, don't you think he'd hit the very max weight allowed? Provided he managed his weight correctly, which he clearly did not. Which is the only reason he came in at 147. 2. There's 0 chance a 2lb (or 1.5lb :lol1:) rehydration limit would be medically cleared in a first world country. That's worse than same day weighin, which is deemed unsafe. You're asking him to drop down on regular weighin, then allow only 2lb rehydration. No chance 3. There's 0 chance DLH, who called the shots, would sign such a debilitating clause 4. There's 0 chance the guy who preannounces meeting his sobriety targets on twitter as big news in boxing would never leak that, after such pathetic exit from the sport.