Could Floyd have maintained the shoulder roll against Duran

Please, show these reports. He came to the ring at 150 Lbs against Victor Ortiz. Still no response about when Floyd came in at 158.

I disagree, I think there is a very clear difference in the strategy and approach he employed in the second fight. I was just watching Sugar Ray's Greatest Hits last week and he was going over both of these fights. I am pretty much repeating what his take on the two matches was. I feel like he kept Duran turning and at a distance better for him most of the second fight. Yeah, like I said he changed his style a little and adusted a little. But at the same time, he still got into a scrap at times but that was always his nature. The point is, he didn't fight Duran's fight the first fight. He fought his usual fight and was beaten by the better man.

He is reported to come in well over 150, closer to 158, and he never allows fight time weigh ins so that he can keep up the fiction of being so much lighter than his opponents, whenn, i many cases he's heavier. As for the Marquez fight, it is a matter of common knowledge that Marquez hit 142 on the nose and Myweather was to be 144, but shirked it and was 146. he paid a fine of $300,000per lb, so Marquez added $600,000 to his share of the purse. This site published this information about 10 times over a few weeks. Please, show these reports. He came to the ring at 150 Lbs against Victor Ortiz.

I think Floyd could do it but if he made any mistakes in that fight he could get slowed down , opened up and caught. Tough one to call.

this is a question that doesn't have a correct answer...so nobody can be wrong in this thread...just sayin!! Duran's prime was before my time!!

he came in over the limit and was fined he was to make 144 CW and came in 146...they allowed him to stay a 146 and JMM at 142lbs. Although Floyd was fined! He came in over 150 lbs on the unofficial scales on fight night!! Some experts believe it was higher! being Floyd refused to let HBO weigh him on fight night! So Floyd weighed way more than Manny did doofus! He is reported to come in well over 150, closer to 158, and he never allows fight time weigh ins so that he can keep up the fiction of being so much lighter than his opponents, whenn, i many cases he's heavier. As for the Marquez fight, it is a matter of common knowledge that Marquez hit 142 on the nose and Myweather was to be 144, but shirked it and was 146. he paid a fine of $300,000per lb, so Marquez added $600,000 to his share of the purse. This site published this information about 10 times over a few weeks.

I'd give it to Duran at 135, but Mayweather at 147. Mayweather seems to be more natural from 140-154, while Duran is from 135-147.

Floyd is great enough to maintain the shoulder roll against just about every fighter that has ever been at 147 including Duran. The question is, could he have won with it? The answer is no. Prime Duran would have won against Floyd but probably would not have KO'd him.

Yeah, there is a big disconnect in the thread question to begin with. The thing is, Floyd at 130-135 used his feet and worked of his jab a lot more and didn't stand in the pocket nearly as much as he does now. If you look at his fights, he didn't fight out of the shoulder roll stance nearly as much. The thread question seems to be referring to prime Duran (135) versus current Floyd (147-154) who is a welterweight and can fight at junior middleweight. Current Floyd stands in the pocket, fights out of that stance and relies on upper body and head movement more so than his legs. Your looking at two completely different fights at 135 and at 147. I think your looking at 2 close fights, and I believe if I were to rank the 5 fighters in the history of the sport that would give Floyd the most problems, Duran would be one of them. But I favor Floyd's quickness and skill level over Duran at both weights; 135 being the closer fight. Again, well said. I agree with your assessments and breakdowns, except with the ultimate outcomes. You make a great case, though. Maybe it all comes down to a sort of bias. Duran was always my favorite. I recognize that 135 was a better weight for Floyd, but Roberto was even better (at least, historically). At 147, Mayweather is past his best. Although Duran was, too, I could see him being effective versus a less-mobile Floyd.

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It would have helped him not get ko'd, but i just don't see Floyd being able to do anything that would have kept Duran off of him. I just saw the Duran vs Leonard 1 fight yesterday and Duran was just relentless, he was mean, he was just nasty. The way he was putting that constant pressure on Leonard and not just that but the mental pressure of being walked down and constantly stalked plus those wicked body shots that were coming from all angles. I just see Duran really beating Floyd up, not stopping him because Floyd aint no walk in the park for anyone and I'm sure Duran would eat alot of crisp punches but I see Duran's punches bothering Floyd alot more than Floyd's punches bothering Duran. Duran by unanimous decision in my opinion.

Great post. I enjoyed reading it. :fing02: I was going to mention Benitez in an earlier post, but I didn't want to talk too much about welterweights. My focus was on Mayweather-Duran at 135. I agree that it would be a good fight at both weights, and I see Roberto winning at either, but more clearly at 135. Yeah, there is a big disconnect in the thread question to begin with. The thing is, Floyd at 130-135 used his feet and worked of his jab a lot more and didn't stand in the pocket nearly as much as he does now. If you look at his fights, he didn't fight out of the shoulder roll stance nearly as much. The thread question seems to be referring to prime Duran (135) versus current Floyd (147-154) who is a welterweight and can fight at junior middleweight. Current Floyd stands in the pocket, fights out of that stance and relies on upper body and head movement more so than his legs. Your looking at two completely different fights at 135 and at 147. I think your looking at 2 close fights, and I believe if I were to rank the 5 fighters in the history of the sport that would give Floyd the most problems, Duran would be one of them. But I favor Floyd's quickness and skill level over Duran at both weights; 135 being the closer fight.

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Of course. People tend to overrate EVERYTHING about older fighters. It's not like Floyd hadn't been hit by hard punches before.

Maaan. **** the Leonard fight. What about Benitez and Laing? Different types of fighters of course. But they worked off the jab, landed their power shots and smothered him, they made him miss, they kept the fight in the center of the ring, clinched him and roughed him up when he tried to get inside..... they basically kept Duran off balance. They frustrated and outboxed this "invincible force" that you guys are talking about. They didn't run. They used upper body and head movement to evade a lot of his punches. I guess Laing ran during the first couple rounds but eventually settled in. So now all of the sudden, you throw Floyd Mayweather into the picture, one of the greatest defensive fighters we've ever seen, incredibly gifted athlete, quick relfexes, quick hands, boxing IQ out of this world......Duran just walks through him? The biggest problem with a lot of the responses in this thread is people assuming that Floyd will go to the ropes and let Duran tee off on him. That's nonsense. Floyd can create offense out of the shoulder roll stance too. What about when they are in the center of the ring? Floyd likes to work his jab, throw that looping left hook around the tight guard, slip in that sneaky right upper cut....he's got a heavy aresenal of punches he can throw out that stance. And on top of that, he doesn't always fight out of that stance. He can square up and fight off his back foot, he drops his hands and counters at times. He loves to square up and shoot that lead right which Benitez staggered Druan a few times with. There's a lot more to Floyd than just being defensive fighter that sits in the shoulder roll stance. I'm not saying that Floyd outclassses Duran, but anyone who things that Duran walks through Floyd like he's some kind of bum journeyman is out of their ****in mind. This would be a very good close fight. Great post. I enjoyed reading it. :fing02: I was going to mention Benitez in an earlier post, but I didn't want to talk too much about welterweights. My focus was on Mayweather-Duran at 135. I agree that it would be a good fight at both weights, and I see Roberto winning at either, but more clearly at 135.

Maaan. **** the Leonard fight. What about Benitez and Laing? Different types of fighters of course. But they worked off the jab, landed their power shots and smothered him, they made him miss, they kept the fight in the center of the ring, clinched him and roughed him up when he tried to get inside..... they basically kept Duran off balance. They frustrated and outboxed this "invincible force" that you guys are talking about. They didn't run. They used upper body and head movement to evade a lot of his punches. I guess Laing ran during the first couple rounds but eventually settled in. So now all of the sudden, you throw Floyd Mayweather into the picture, one of the greatest defensive fighters we've ever seen, incredibly gifted athlete, quick relfexes, quick hands, boxing IQ out of this world......Duran just walks through him? The biggest problem with a lot of the responses in this thread is people assuming that Floyd will go to the ropes and let Duran tee off on him. That's nonsense. Floyd can create offense out of the shoulder roll stance too. What about when they are in the center of the ring? Floyd likes to work his jab, throw that looping left hook around the tight guard, slip in that sneaky right upper cut....he's got a heavy aresenal of punches he can throw out that stance. And on top of that, he doesn't always fight out of that stance. He can square up and fight off his back foot, he drops his hands and counters at times. He loves to square up and shoot that lead right which Benitez staggered Druan a few times with. There's a lot more to Floyd than just being defensive fighter that sits in the shoulder roll stance. I'm not saying that Floyd outclassses Duran, but anyone who things that Duran walks through Floyd like he's some kind of bum journeyman is out of their ****in mind. This would be a very good close fight.

lol that thread is funny aahahah. Now that Pac got demolished the Pac fans can't do threads about how Pac would beat Floyd they now have to dig in the all-time great to do that.

Play your Mayweather nuthugger role mate, and I'll continue to play mineI used to be the biggest Mayweather critic, then Philippines happened. What purpose is there to me criticizing Floyd when the 9th largest country on the planet is dedicated to discrediting every waking moment of the man's life?

This thread developed as expected. Most neutral fans will say Floyd wouldn't be able to main his shoulder roll against Duran and ALL Floyd fans will randomly reference Duran-Leonard 2 and say Floyd would maintain it and beat Duran. The pathetic part about it is that they inadvertently reveal the fact that they've never even seen Duran/Leonard 2 when they claim that Leonard "boxed circles" around Duran. It was a close and competitive fight until Duran decided to pack it in. Anybody who has actually seen it knows that much.

this is probably the most accurate post you have made on here in like a year...you digressed into a sh*tposter really bad. Play your Mayweather nuthugger role mate, and I'll continue to play mine