Actions Outside Ring Influence U?

You can only get so far on natural talent alone, there will/should come a fight in which the guy has met his match talent-wise and he will have to rely on heart, will, perseverance to get the win. These characteristics are developed by one's life journey and circumstances outside the ring. When people have things given to them all the time, they lose touch with what it means to come from the bottom and fight your way to the top. When that time comes and they have no physical advantages over a hungrier fighter, the heart and will are the only things that separate the two and the guy who has more fire inside of him is going to win the battle.

Eyes On the Prize How many of you guys base your liking of a fighter on boxing talent alone? and how many of you care about how they act when they are not training or fighting? Most of the time i try to just enjoy how a fighter performs in the ring and not let how they act outside of the gym or ring influence me. It is sometimes hard when the person is comical or entertaining. (paulie #TK) I think he seems like a friendly guy, but im not his biggest boxing fan....it's just almost impossible not to like him There are others that I CANNOT stand, but love to watch them fight...so i dont let it weigh in on my opinion. thoughts? I try to look at fighters objectively, because if I do have some sort of personal bias against someone it's going to affect how I perceive their performance in the ring. I wasn't ever drawn to the sport because of what a fighter did outside of the ring, for me, it was the brutal artistry they were able to accomplish in the ring. I think some fans lose perspective with their commentary here, because you'd think they knew some of these fighters personally or had some sort of stake in their life and or career. It's actually kind of bizarre. I'm sure the sports world is filled all kinds of undesirables but they achieve fame and fortune because they can entertain us and capture our collective imagination. When I go see a Tom Cruise movie, I'm going to see if he can entertain me on the big screen. I have no caring if he danced on Oprah's couch, is into Scientology, or if he enjoyed anal with Katie Holmes. These are not things that are pertinent to my existence nor will they ever be, I don't know the man. Do I care what Manny Pacquiao does outside the ring, hell no, why should I? Caring about whether Manny cheats on his wife is as moronic as me caring about what the posters on this site do in the privacy of their own homes. His actions don't have any baring on whether I'll pay my bills, or if I love my kids, or if I'm a good friend to the people around me. I realize for the sake of argument I could take the moral high ground and say Manny's a terrible husband, but heck, I cheated on my wife too and it felt pretty good. Truth is, I wouldn't want anyone looking at my life and making an assessment of me when they don't know me personally, that would be a bit unnerving. People are free to not like whomever they want but when a shallow personal assessment precludes one from rational discourse about a given fighter, I think there may be a deeper problem....

People do care even if they say they don't. If a fighter attended a Klan rally do you think he would have many black fans thereafter? Would a muslim fighter who said America deserves to perish have many American fans? With there being rape, animal abuse, wife-beating, murder, drug-taking, pedophilia, reckless driving, and so on, there is something out there to alienate everyone. Muhammad Ali went to a Klan rally and preached segregation.

I love watching Monzon but I can't say he's a favourite because he was an aggressive wife beater who eventually threw his significant other from a balcony. I don't care about minor things like Broner just generally being annoying, it's serious stuff like domestic violence and murder that makes me dislike a fighter.

People do care even if they say they don't. If a fighter attended a Klan rally do you think he would have many black fans thereafter? Would a muslim fighter who said America deserves to perish have many American fans? Just say you don't like black people. :dunno:

People do care even if they say they don't. If a fighter attended a Klan rally do you think he would have many black fans thereafter? Would a muslim fighter who said America deserves to perish have many American fans? With there being rape, animal abuse, wife-beating, murder, drug-taking, pedophilia, reckless driving, and so on, there is something out there to alienate everyone.

Monzon was a complete sociopath and monster yet you don't hear people raving on about the atrocious things he did outside the ring like Mayweather. It's all selective, it's Human Nature.

depends on what you mean by outside the ring. i like to see guys who work hard and are dedicated to boxing win, i dont care for slackers who dont train at all between fights and get fat. i also like to see fighters who are good for boxing win, who want the tough fights even if its high risk low reward. i really dont care how a fighters personality is, there are only a few exceptions. i dont like ppl who act fake as hell, a few fighters influenced me by being nice too but thats even more rare. im all about the boxing. most ppl are, they will claim personality matters when they go on about how they dislike a certain fighter. then completely ignore it if a fighter they like does the same thing. look at all the ppl going on and on about mayweather being a wifebeater based on one incident that might not even have happened. then you have guys like gatti and leonard who beat their wives on a regular basis and it gets overlooked completely. i like gatti and leonard, im not bashing them. im just saying ppl set double standards. this is why floyd fans are seen as the worst fanbase. delusional. :nonono: his kids tried to call 911...his own damn kids, and you say it never happened... wow

depends on what you mean by outside the ring. i like to see guys who work hard and are dedicated to boxing win, i dont care for slackers who dont train at all between fights and get fat. i also like to see fighters who are good for boxing win, who want the tough fights even if its high risk low reward. i really dont care how a fighters personality is, there are only a few exceptions. i dont like ppl who act fake as hell, a few fighters influenced me by being nice too but thats even more rare. im all about the boxing. most ppl are, they will claim personality matters when they go on about how they dislike a certain fighter. then completely ignore it if a fighter they like does the same thing. look at all the ppl going on and on about mayweather being a wifebeater based on one incident that might not even have happened. then you have guys like gatti and leonard who beat their wives on a regular basis and it gets overlooked completely. i like gatti and leonard, im not bashing them. im just saying ppl set double standards.

Don't change the argument; I could care less what a athlete does in a there personal and lie I said if you do you are personally a loser at life. I don't need a role model. Would I let a child or a old lady get beat up in front of me nope. I think you meant couldn't care less. And what you said after that didn't even make sense.

Really? So you're fine with a sporting personality getting paid, sometimes very big money, by the people watching him, even though he might be a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, woman beater, robber, criminal, whatever etc? Or, taking it a step further, would you happily sit by not giving a **** about another persons actions while they robbed some old lady or beat up some poor woman? Of course you wouldn't...or maybe you would, which is why you're saying that **** above. :thinking: It some cases it should have an impact and if you don't care whether they are scum and should be put behind bars, then it's actually you who are the clown mate. If it's just about whether asking your dad for a comb on TV, well, I'm gonna think the guy is clearly a complete ****, and entirely deserving of scorn, but maybe you don't. Don't change the argument; I could care less what a athlete does in a there personal and lie I said if you do you are personally a loser at life. I don't need a role model. Would I let a child or a old lady get beat up in front of me nope.

I go by both as to how much I like a fighter. Everything he says or does that I am aware of influences how much I like a fighter. I care if the fighter is a good champion and fights good opponents. I care if he acts with class or not and I care about how he fights. I like Broner in the ring and he is starting to fight the best. I don't like the way he talks and acts outside the ring talking about himself and other fighters as an example.

Absolutely yes, it's only human.

Nope; only a clown would worry about another person actions Really? So you're fine with a sporting personality getting paid, sometimes very big money, by the people watching him, even though he might be a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, woman beater, robber, criminal, whatever etc? Or, taking it a step further, would you happily sit by not giving a **** about another persons actions while they robbed some old lady or beat up some poor woman? Of course you wouldn't...or maybe you would, which is why you're saying that **** above. :thinking: It some cases it should have an impact and if you don't care whether they are scum and should be put behind bars, then it's actually you who are the clown mate. If it's just about whether asking your dad for a comb on TV, well, I'm gonna think the guy is clearly a complete ****, and entirely deserving of scorn, but maybe you don't.

Nope; only a clown would worry about another person actions that's a bold and untrue statement.

Of course it has in impact. Floyd for example he is a brilliant fighter i absolutely love watching him, i would never miss a fight but outside the ring can't stand him. Of course. Broner is one, very exciting to watch, but I don't like his personality too much. Not gonna stop me from watching him fight though. Doesn't that mean they what they do outside doesn't have any ill effects? If you're both going to watch them, no matter how you feel about them outside, that means it's not yeah? Broner and Floyd are complete douchebags outside, but that hasn't had any bad effect to how I feel about them as fighters and I'll still watch all their fights with excitement. Well, honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd knocked out. He's been grating recently. I don't want to see him lose, for the sake of losing, but I do want to see him test himself. No, Guerrero is not testing himself.

Nope; only a clown would worry about another person actions

Of course. Broner is one, very exciting to watch, but I don't like his personality too much. Not gonna stop me from watching him fight though.

mostly no, but if it's something completely classless like racist comments, beating women, things like that then yeah it does change the outlook on a fighter.