Ward now has to defend against Kessler.

I already conducted a poll on this. The vast, overwhelming majority of BoxingScene posters who voted in it disagree with you. I think Magee got one single vote. Probably from you. :lol1: Your criteria was skewed. You measured the Magee that was KO'ed by Kessler to Pavlik. Before the fight ESPN, for example, had Magee as no. 8 at SMW. Pavlik was unranked.

Magee > this version of Pavlik. I already conducted a poll on this. The vast, overwhelming majority of BoxingScene posters who voted in it disagree with you. I think Magee got one single vote. Probably from you. :lol1:

Kessler should fight Froch, Froch has done great things since their first fight which was close a rematch would probably be as great as their first fight if not better. Froch was boxing more than usual in the Kessler fight i would like to see how he adapts in a rematch, i think he would be more aggressive from the beginning knowing it will be close. The winner could then fight Ward.

I will put that fight in the unnecessary rematch file, Kessler is a good fighter but what has he proven that is different about him to such a degree that the fight will change. If you want to see Kessler get beat up again, fine I can live with watching that considering what is out there for Ward but let's not make this out as something that needs to take place.

Kelly Pavlik, after a pint of whiskey, would easily destroy any of the last 3 handpicked fighters that Kessler has faced in the past year. Why should Ward go to Denmark to face a man he dominated based off of that man doing nothing but routing a couple bums who couldn't even compete with a shot alcoholic like Pavlik? Magee > this version of Pavlik. And I am talking of the Magee before the Kessler fight. After the Kessler fight, Magee and Pavlik are about equal. Both are rehabbing their liver.

i saw it 2-0-2. not all the headbutts were wards fault, some of them were dont get me wrong. but bcuz he legitimately headbutted kessler once or twice ppl later assumed the other headbutts were his fault too even though that wasnt the case, some truly were accidental and as much kesslers fault as wards. The Ward fight is the only Kessler fight I can recall where there was any headbutts. On the other nearly all of Wards fights has headbutts. Or to be fair: Had headbutts as he just might have cleaned up his act somehow. Those headbutts by Ward had an early impact. Listen to Kessler between rounds. He is telling his trainer that he cannot see due to a Ward flying headsmack.

Beats rematching some stiff, limited euro-bot, who has no heart whatsoever AND NO FUCKING HEAD MOVEMENT :rofl: or the ability to adjust... who he already used as a mere playtoy. Unless Kessler peeps can provide some type of added financial incentive for Ward to take that utterly useless fight again. "80-20 WARD KIK YO AZZ" :headbang: I would actually love to see Ward go to Denmark because it would be absolutely hilarious to see Kessler getting beaten like a redheaded stepchild in front of 25,000 deathly silent fans.

Legacy and credibility you say? And fighting a shot alcoholic in his backyard gives him these things?? Kelly Pavlik, after a pint of whiskey, would easily destroy any of the last 3 handpicked fighters that Kessler has faced in the past year. Why should Ward go to Denmark to face a man he dominated based off of that man doing nothing but routing a couple bums who couldn't even compete with a shot alcoholic like Pavlik?

I've NEVER seen Wladimir use deliberate headbutts. He doen't need to, he has enough power in his fists. And I don't see him hitting off the break. Emanuel taught him to hold (like Hopkins, Lennox, Berto, etc) but he doesn't HIT while holding like Ward does. That's because he can't fight on the inside like like Ward can. It's funny how you would rather see a guy just hold and not punch opposed to fighting on the inside.

I love how in TS's, warped & jaded reality (which is a reality that only exists inside his head) The tiny, historically & contemporarily irrelevant nation (from a boxing standpoint) of Denmark is supposedly some major proving ground for a world class, elite p4p level boxer to stake his legacy and credibility in. :rofl::rofl: fucking priceless! :rofl::rofl: Battling Nelson has to rank up there with some of the worst, most disgraceful & delirious nutthuggers on this entire forum. Legacy and credibility you say? And fighting a shot alcoholic in his backyard gives him these things??

Low risk, low reward for Ward. A another domination over Kessler, wherever the fight, means nothing for his legacy. At least the Ward-Froch 2 fight would involve 3 belts, as long as Mendoza gets a nice pile of notes to keep Ward a WBA champ. Kessler-Froch 2 first, maybe the winner gets another crack at Ward. As for the fighting at home thing, I thought the US was the boxing capital of the world. Ward can call the shots against someone hes already dominated. I'm glad to see our p4p king has the haters though. I can't remember any p4p king who didn't have them. Its a sign of greatness

My scoring had Ward DQ'ed by round 5. After that I was too riled up to give a proper score. you seem to have been to riled up to make a fair evaluation of the fight in general. my guess is it started long before a single headbutt over the fact that kessler was getting a boxing lesson, being hit at will with clean punches while being unable to lay a glove on ward himself. if i was you i would be hoping for a DQ too, hell id be hoping for another fan man incident if it meant that ass whuppin' would be at least interrupted.

I don't see ward going to Denmark just like i don't see Kessler coming to England to fight Froch.

Yes it was indeed very one-sided. I recall the headbutt statistic being 4-0 :) i saw it 2-0-2. not all the headbutts were wards fault, some of them were dont get me wrong. but bcuz he legitimately headbutted kessler once or twice ppl later assumed the other headbutts were his fault too even though that wasnt the case, some truly were accidental and as much kesslers fault as wards.

he wasnt outclassed like kessler though and the scoring was kind to mikkel too, i think someone even gave him a round. Yes it was indeed very one-sided. I recall the headbutt statistic being 4-0 :)

Froch vs Kessler in England please

So when does traveling to one country suddenly make Kessler able to handle Ward's jab or right hands? Ward used constant movement in their fight, which gave Kessler fits. Ward also fought on the inside, but Kessler didn't even bother to fight out of it. 1. And you failed to acknowledge my other points. There was a lot Ward did to Kessler, much like Calzaghe did, which negated him other than holding and hitting. Kessler fought the worst fight of his life that night, but the point here is that a referee enforcing the rules of boxing, would be a major difference. 2. So does suddenly fighting in Denmark make Kessler's punch that much stronger? Also, Ward took shots from Froch and Abraham fine. They both hit much harder than Kessler. Disagree and Kessler is more accurate. He fought with doublevision against Ward. Big difference. Froch held and hit Kessler constantly. That was a pretty scrappy fight, but Froch failed to make the adjustments needed to make throughout the fight. He didn't have Ward's speed either. Froch did not hit and hold like Ward did. I encourage you to rewatch. I think Froch is a bit better of a fighter since then though and would beat Kessler in a rematch. That's another topic though. Fair enough. Surprisingly I disagree. :) A Kessler with full vision will not miss as many punches as he missed in the first fight. I predict a Kessler win by KO. There were numerous reasons that Ward didn't travel, but a lot of it had to do with that his opponents kept pulling out and his replacements weren't enough of a draw to fight anywhere but oakland (Green, Bika). There would have been no s6 if Ward didnt get his fights at home. That much was clear from the promotors meeting. As for finals with Froch, Showtime's contract had it so the fight had to be held in the United States. Atlantic City is also nowhere near Oakland. That fight was fought in a neutral territory, hence why no one was there. The fight was in the States. Not neutral at all. As for "You'd like to see Ward challenged," give me a break. Ward took way too long to step up and took four years to do so, but once he fought Miranda (a fight Kessler avoided btw) he's had one of the best resumes in boxing. It's bullshit to say otherwise to be honest. A drained Dawson and an alcoholic Pavlik is not a challenge.

The referee agrees with you there Warp. He went to Kessler's corner telling him he was about to get DQ'ed. :ugh: Yes. So when does traveling to one country suddenly make Kessler able to handle Ward's jab or right hands? Ward used constant movement in their fight, which gave Kessler fits. Ward also fought on the inside, but Kessler didn't even bother to fight out of it. At least you acknowledge the headbutts. Thank you. He could also punch Ward on his rather fragile jaw. 1. And you failed to acknowledge my other points. There was a lot Ward did to Kessler, much like Calzaghe did, which negated him other than holding and hitting. 2. So does suddenly fighting in Denmark make Kessler's punch that much stronger? Also, Ward took shots from Froch and Abraham fine. They both hit much harder than Kessler. What do you mean? Froch held and hit Kessler constantly. That was a pretty scrappy fight, but Froch failed to make the adjustments needed to make throughout the fight. He didn't have Ward's speed either. I think Froch is a bit better of a fighter since then though and would beat Kessler in a rematch. That's another topic though. Everybody but Ward travelled in the s6. I'd like to see Ward challenged, and that's not going to happen in jOakland against the Kelly Pavlik's of this world. There were numerous reasons that Ward didn't travel, but a lot of it had to do with that his opponents kept pulling out and his replacements weren't enough of a draw to fight anywhere but oakland (Green, Bika). As for finals with Froch, Showtime's contract had it so the fight had to be held in the United States. Atlantic City is also nowhere near Oakland. That fight was fought in a neutral territory, hence why no one was there. As for "You'd like to see Ward challenged," give me a break. Ward took way too long to step up and took four years to do so, but once he fought Miranda (a fight Kessler avoided btw) he's had one of the best resumes in boxing. It's bullshit to say otherwise to be honest.

Andre Ward would give up the WBA title rather than fight in another country. Ali, Foreman, Lewis, the Klitschkos, Kessler, Froch, etc were willing to fight in other countries. But it seems like Ward is not a warrior like those guys. I also think that Ward would rather give up his WBA belt than risk a Kessler fight going to purseoffers. That way he can continue beating the Pavlik's of the World. I heard Jermain Taylor id next.

you really think it was competetive? how many rounds did you give kessler? My scoring had Ward DQ'ed by round 5. After that I was too riled up to give a proper score.