2005 fighter of the year
lineal 140 for 5 yrs NO ONE ****ED WITH HIM
the fact he is by far the most popular fighter maybe ever might get him in alone
think ab it what fighter do we know of that can get 35k ppl to fly across the planet to come see them fight ???????????????
twice ?!?
he actually won 140lb title in 01
since u wanna get technical
who available could have beaten him ?
Well yes I was actually getting technical, you claimed he was lineal champion for 5 years when that is wrong, he was lineal champ for 4 years.
Well he didn't fight Floyd at 140 when he could have, but thats not the point, beating limited and shot fighters isn't impressive.
90% of this site are hatton haters for no reason
all boxing needs is more ricky hattons
cash cows who arent scared to fight anyone anywhere anytime !
and whats this comparing him to gatti ? sry but hatton is a class above gatti r.i.p.
Actually 4 years and no wonder noone ****ed with him, he didn't fight anyone good.
he actually won 140lb title in 01
since u wanna get technical
who available could have beaten him ?
Does he? I mean, his best win was against a faded Tszyu, and he got DESTROYED every time he fought a truly great fighter.
I dont think losing to pac and floyd is a reason for Hatton to NOT deserve to be in the hall of fame. BUT: he fouled Tszyu the whole fight. that was MMA, not boxing. then he got a gift decision against Collazo. so in my opinion Hatton is pretty clearly not a hall of famer. no disrespect to him, but thats how I see it. that being said: I am pretty sure Hatton WILL BE in the HOF some day.
Very easy yes.
Yes i agree. People are always trying to deny hatton for some reason. No matter who hatton beat there was always an excuse to belittle him. So every fighter gets beef whether your pac, floyd or whoever.
I think he should imo.
IF not it might be a retro ballet when it comes out his only 2 loses came to dudes using PED's! When that time comes not sure...but the truth always comes out!
Then you could also argue that he was undefeated!
there's a category called "non-participant," for people who didn't box.
stallone is inducted into that category.
I ****ing hate it when people bring up that Stallone is in, as if that's some kind of terrible thing, and thus anyone should get in. Clueless cunts.
He's in the non participant section, for his huge promotion of boxing through movies you bunch of **** knuckle retards. He's not in with the actual boxers.
There is actually a place specifically for guys who publicise boxing, write about boxing, promote it, do good things for it in general and Stallone is in that for making the most significant film impact to boxing ever, and thus having a huge effect, and a very important one at the time, on its popularity.
:pat:
No, Hatton is not worthy of the HOF. He was a pretty good, and very popular, champ but having one top win is just not enough. Whoever said Hatton and Tzyus resumes are similar might have missed that Tszyu has 15 or so champs compared to five or six for Hatton. Tszyu also became the only other Undisputed champ in boxing, apart from Hopkins, by actually beating all the other champs, not one 36 year old, inactive, injury laden fighter. He also stayed at the top of his division as a champ for over a decade and was a P4P ranked fighter for a decade. There is a massive difference between the two.
Edit: if he does get in, it will, and should only, be for his massive popularity, not for the strength of his career and accomplishments as a boxer. Much like the reason McGuigan got in.
Yeah I do get that, and its a very very strong point, with entry into HOF based on an outstanding boxing CV, which paraphrases a part of what I mean.
My problem is with shoehorning in people who dont individually deserve it, like Vitali being categorised as HOF because he is of ' the only time two brothers have owned HW titles'. I dont agree at all with pooling family acheivements - Frazier Junior isnt any greater just for what his dad did. My other issue with 'fame' is its free exchange of meaning for celebrity status these days, which shouldnt apply to sport, or else we'll be putting Kimbo Slice, Freddie Flintoff and Ricky Gervais in the HOF next based on them spending a bit of time in the boxing ring.
It's called the "International Boxing Hall Of Fame" not the International Boxing Hall Of Achievements.
Champ of a division for 4 years.
2 Division title holder.
Involved in 2 of the biggest fights ever.
Couple of years on the P4P list.
One of the biggest followings ever in boxing.
To me, being HOF means beating a legend whilst they are in their prime or setting some other kind of historically significant record. For instance Joe Cal gets in for setting a record number of defences, even though 80% of them were versus crap opponents, and Barry McGuigan gets in for taking his title off an absolute legend, despite doing little else besides.
Hatton hasnt set any such historical precedents, however minor. But he is still in my book an outstanding and awesome aggresssive boxer and regardless of how anyone classes him, he will always be a local legend, which is something many would crave above being an ATG or HOFer that might appeal to hardcore fans only. In his locale, Hatton is almost deified, and thats worth more than being Muhammed Ali in Manchester.
Does he? I mean, his best win was against a faded Tszyu, and he got DESTROYED every time he fought a truly great fighter.
No... hatton doesn't belong there
Do you feel Barry McGuigan deserved the nod to get in?
I feel the way they vote for the hall of fame should change. when you let a fighter in because the rest of the names on the ballot are weak, then you give another fighter that's not as good the chance to get in.
not saying that they shouldn't be honored for their time inside the ring.. but when you let anyone into the hall of fame it loses it's exclusivity.
Here's the thing though: The IBHOF in Canastota makes a significant portion of its income from Hall of Fame week, as its location in upstate NY makes it a tough place to get to.
They need that buzz every year from three inductees from the modern era to generate traffic to the Hall every year. Without that, the Hall would probably fold due to lack of financial support.
Hatton's popularity is legendary, and his career in many ways parallels that of Barry McGuigan, another UK fighter with a huge following and an interesting person outside the ring. I think if McGuigan got in, then Hatton, who had fought better opposition, will as well.
Do you feel Barry McGuigan deserved the nod to get in?
I feel the way they vote for the hall of fame should change. when you let a fighter in because the rest of the names on the ballot are weak, then you give another fighter that's not as good the chance to get in.
not saying that they shouldn't be honored for their time inside the ring.. but when you let anyone into the hall of fame it loses it's exclusivity.
If you look at Hatton on the world scale - no, probably not. If you look at it from the point of view that he's one of the best British fighters ever and maybe the most popular - a resounding yes.
As has been mentioned previously, though, if Gatti couldn't make it in, then Hatton shouldn't either.
Hatton's popularity is legendary, and his career in many ways parallels that of Barry McGuigan, another UK fighter with a huge following and an interesting person outside the ring. I think if McGuigan got in, then Hatton, who had fought better opposition, will as well.
Really??? Tszyu came back in November 2004 and beat Mitchell in a rematch and stopped him in 3 rounds. Mitchell was still the #1 JWW besides the RING champ Tszyu. Prior to that, Tszyu beat Urkal who was a Top 10 JWW, Judah who was the #2 JWW, Tackie who was a Top 10 JWW, Leija who was a Top 10 JWW, and Mitchell again like I stated above.
Tszyu was also the #3 P4P in the world when Hatton beat him, and this was also a time when people really wanted to see Floyd-Tsyzu as Floyd was looking to fight the winner of that fight.
So don't tell me that wasn't a big win for Hatton, it was. It may not have been the best Tszyu, but Tszyu was still a highly regarded fighter at the time.
I think it's safe to say the division was very weak at that time..
it's like Baldomir was once ranked number one at welterweight, which didn't mean much because the biggest names in the division were Judah and an old Gatti.
I have a Hall of Fame vote, but not sure if I'll vote for Hatton just yet. He might get in, depending on how weak the particular voting years are coming up. They vote in three from the modern era every year, and as long as there aren't other guys who are strong contenders, he could eventually get in.