Roberto Duran is incomprehensibly great.

What was Leonards Record when he First fought Duran He was 27-0

What was Leonards Record when he First fought Duran

I can't think of a win better than Duran taking a clear decision over Leonard at his best weight, in his prime. Most would consider Leonard top 10 P4P and top 3 at worst at welter. So moving up from lightweight and beating him up would definitely be my pick. I wouldn't argue this at all.

Roberto Duran was great without a doubt. When he is being rated among the greatest of all time I don't think the losses he had in his prime and late prime should just be not counted. When he was lightweight champion he lost a ud. to DeJesus and was knocked down in the first round in a non tittle fight. He KOed DeJesus in the return match. He quit against Leonard in the return match 5 months after he beat Leonard. He was 30 years old and still prime when he lost a ud. to Benitez for the 154 pound tittle. In his next fight he lost a ud. to a very average fighter named Kirland Lang. In his next fight after his good showing in the Hagler fight he was KOed in 2 rounds by Hearns for the 154 pound tittle. I think Duran was probably the best lightweight of them all but he was not unbeatable. No boxer is unbeateble....

Roberto Duran was great without a doubt. When he is being rated among the greatest of all time I don't think the losses he had in his prime and late prime should just be not counted. When he was lightweight champion he lost a ud. to DeJesus and was knocked down in the first round in a non tittle fight. He KOed DeJesus in the return match. He quit against Leonard in the return match 5 months after he beat Leonard. He was 30 years old and still prime when he lost a ud. to Benitez for the 154 pound tittle. In his next fight he lost a ud. to a very average fighter named Kirland Lang. In his next fight after his good showing in the Hagler fight he was KOed in 2 rounds by Hearns for the 154 pound tittle. I think Duran was probably the best lightweight of them all but he was not unbeatable.

no mas vs leonard Hattoned by hearns lost to Hagler lost to Vinny P, Camacho and Joppy Ate red meat and drank cokes everyday during training He was great but lets not get carried away :pat: Dude you are a ****ing retard! GTFO please and stick to sucking your heros dick!

no mas vs leonard Hattoned by hearns lost to Hagler lost to Vinny P, Camacho and Joppy Ate red meat and drank cokes everyday during training He was great but lets not get carried away worst post ive seen in a long time.......:guns:

It's more like Pac vs Carlos Monzon. Hops is almost naturally a class bigger than Hagler. Yeah, Hopkins is a huge middleweight. He would not have been able to make 160 back on fight day weigh ins. He would always have been a lightheavyweight back then. He started out at 175, then squeezed back down to 160 somehow.

not the same at all wtf more like pacquiao vs dela hoya at 147 :lol1: No, it's really not. Pac and Duran are the same size. Don't forget that Pac has an extra day to squeeze his body down and then rehydrate now with iv, better fluids etc. Duran didn't. He had to fight at his weigh in weight on that day. Different times. People forget that, apart from one centimetre in height, Pac was bigger than Hatton in nearly every aspect and his general tale of the tape is the same as Duran. Pac's weigh in weights ie fighting at 122, 126 and 130 while weighing in as a welterweight is where he would have actually had to fight back in the era of fight day weigh ins, or come in severely weight drained. He's a big solid dude, not this midget everyone keeps talking about. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DuapU_0qNMw/Sr4NhIiCi4I/AAAAAAAAAdw/xkrm94q3rm0/s400/manny-pacquiao-vs-miguel-cotto.jpg Not only that, but Oscar doesn't really compare to Hagler. The only guy that does today is Hopkins funnily enough. But Hopkins is more of a natural LHW so I don't agree either. It's very hard to imagine Pac fighting Hagler, but that's what it would be like. Just a fat version of Pac. Anyway, doesn't really matter.

Just imagine how great he could have been if he would have stayed away from the booze and partying!! If he would have come in every fight at 100%...all I can say is wow! I bet he has no regrets though as he certainly knew how to live it up!hehe

Incomprehensibly great, indeed. A top 10 ATG.

Fighting the Fab Four all while past his physical prime.

Not as great as Leonard over Hagler or Ali over Foreman, but that's me. Armstrong over Ross deserves consideration as well. Although Leonard was amazing in that fight, he clearly lost so how could you put that above others?

For my money, this is one of the best fights of all time. Wow. Definitely my favourite fight ever and the fight I've seen the most by far, incredible bout.

Duran beating Leonard has to be in contention for best win ever. What a lumping amazing fighter he was. I could seriously watch the way he would bait fighters up close into exactly the punches he wanted them to throw all day. I can't think of a win better than Duran taking a clear decision over Leonard at his best weight, in his prime. Most would consider Leonard top 10 P4P and top 3 at worst at welter. So moving up from lightweight and beating him up would definitely be my pick.

Duran beating Leonard has to be in contention for best win ever. What a lumping amazing fighter he was. I could seriously watch the way he would bait fighters up close into exactly the punches he wanted them to throw all day.

no mas vs leonard Hattoned by hearns lost to Hagler lost to Vinny P, Camacho and Joppy Ate red meat and drank cokes everyday during training He was great but lets not get carried away I completely disagree but I liked the 'Hattoned by hearns' bit

no mas vs leonard Hattoned by hearns lost to Hagler lost to Vinny P, Camacho and Joppy Ate red meat and drank cokes everyday during training He was great but lets not get carried away I hope you do realize you are a very stupid person... to begin with, those last 3 fights you mention were after 30 years as a professional boxer and 5 weightclasses above his natural one... that's how big of a warrior by nature he was, dude only stopped fighting cause an accident forced him to when he was 50 yrs old... fighting was such a casual thing to him that he took the tommy hearns fight (the most dangerous fight he could take, against a dude whose style and reach advantage was all wrong for him) and partied for two weeks straight with the money bob arum gave him as down payment for the fight thinking 'I don't gotta worry about the fight, I'm a whoop him when it comes around'.Of course he now laughs at his own error which he says he realized as soon as the received the first big punch from tommy and it "stirred all that woman and booze I had in the head" (and I'm not saying he would've won that fight, just telling the story he told about that fight in a spanish espn interview)... and as for the Hagler fight, well.. he was a natural lightweight very much past his prime and went 15 competitive rounds with one of the best middleweights of all time who was in his prime and had won by knockout in all of his previous tittle defenses... Now check this out and learn a little somethin' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLUIrxsE4A&feature=endscreen&NR=1

no mas vs leonard Hattoned by hearns lost to Hagler lost to Vinny P, Camacho and Joppy Ate red meat and drank cokes everyday during training He was great but lets not get carried away

You are right, Hagler was much better. Roberto Duran started out at 119lb, just fyi. I have been watching him since 135lbs. Definitely a legend.