how good is ward's resume?..

I wouldn't give Ward P4P #1 yet just because his division is pretty shallow. I'd put him #3 above Sergio for reasons already mentioned about Martinez having vulnerabilities but still behind Pac and PBF. Even if they haven't cleared out divisions, those two have fought future HOFs and beat them comfortably. They may have the benefit of being in a more talented division, and Ward might have been able to take on a fighter the likes of prime James Toney or RJJ or whoever, but chances are we'll never know for sure unless someone comes up. What we do know is that the two top guns are proven against the best in the fight game today, and that's more important in P4P discussion then clearing out a division.

yeah , i forgot to include bika who really gave him the toughest fight in the super 6 .. ..ward did'nt look good againts him at all ...and yes ,he cleaned out the divison but the divison was'nt really all that good to begin with...when it started i thought diffrently but truth is besides froch , none really are that good ..taylor was done before it even started...direll is a victor ortiz fighter, mental midget not worthy of anything.. Well once Ward moves up there will be potential match ups with Cloud, Pascal, Cleverly, and old man Hopkins. I doubt any of the top middleweights will move up to fight Ward. I don't see Ward losing any time soon. JWW, WW, LMW, and MW are deeper divisions than SMW and LHW but Ward can only fight whats in front of him. Maybe that's why prime Roy Jones had to go all the way up to HW to challenge himself.

yeah , i forgot to include bika who really gave him the toughest fight in the super 6 .. ..ward did'nt look good againts him at all ...and yes ,he cleaned out the divison but the divison was'nt really all that good to begin with...when it started i thought diffrently but truth is besides froch , none really are that good ..taylor was done before it even started...direll is a victor ortiz fighter, mental midget not worthy of anything..[/QUOT Well once Ward moves up there will be potential match ups with Cloud, Pascal, Cleverly, and old man Hopkins. I doubt any of the top middleweights will move up to fight Ward. I don't see Ward losing any time soon. JWW, WW, LMW, and MW are deeper divisions than SMW and LHW but Ward can only fight whats in front of him. Maybe that's why prime Roy Jones had to go all the way up to HW to challenge himself.

Ward was dropped and hurt badly against Darnell Boone. Thats true. Though that was within a year of him turning pro and the only fight he's been down in. But it is a good point given we never saw Mayweather down or hurt while he was in prospect status. But as Ward has stepped into the world class his skills have improved and he has become crafty. He was always an extremely skilled fighter, like Mayweather, even early in his career. Pacquiao suffered a KO stoppage early in his career but when he came into his own he had that aura about him also. Ward is an 8 year pro now and he has that aura about him. He just seems unstoppable right now.

Let's not forget about Sakio Bika who deserves mention. I will say this Ward is the only active fighter to clear out the entire division and remain undefeated. It's not just the fact that he has beat these guys but the dominant fashion he has done it in. He has that aura of invincibility about him where you are almost certain he is goin to win before every time he fights. Dawson was viewed as a real pick em fight despite the weight but Ward completely dominated him. This just adds to that aura of being invincible. Was Ward the favorite? Yes. But nobody saw a lopsided TKO stoppage beatdown coming. Sergio Martinez has climbed to P4P status by beating the top guys in the division but he gots young fighters coming up that look to challenge him and be a real threat (Golovkin, Pirog, Quillin, Geale). Martinez has not cleared out the division by any means but the reason I bring him up is because he is the closest champion (besides the K brothers obviously) to make a dent in the division. Ward by comparison really only has Andre Dirrell left. The young guys coming up in his division (like an Adonis Stevenson) may be on the horizon, but the perception is Ward will beat these guys with ease. We have never seen Ward hurt either even though he keeps taking on the best. We have seen vulnerability in Mayweather (vs Mosley, Corley, Judah, Castillo), Martinez (Chavez Jr 12th round), and in Pacquiao ( Bradley, JMM) but have yet to see Ward "exposed". Given all of this I believe Ward is a legit P4P fighter and that he has indeed earned his status among the elite and that he will inevitable reign on top of the list in due time. yeah , i forgot to include bika who really gave him the toughest fight in the super 6 .. ..ward did'nt look good againts him at all ...and yes ,he cleaned out the divison but the divison was'nt really all that good to begin with...when it started i thought diffrently but truth is besides froch , none really are that good ..taylor was done before it even started...direll is a victor ortiz fighter, mental midget not worthy of anything..

ironically, dawson is probabley his worst win

Let's not forget about Sakio Bika who deserves mention. I will say this Ward is the only active fighter to clear out the entire division and remain undefeated. It's not just the fact that he has beat these guys but the dominant fashion he has done it in. He has that aura of invincibility about him where you are almost certain he is goin to win before every time he fights. Dawson was viewed as a real pick em fight despite the weight but Ward completely dominated him. This just adds to that aura of being invincible. Was Ward the favorite? Yes. But nobody saw a lopsided TKO stoppage beatdown coming. Sergio Martinez has climbed to P4P status by beating the top guys in the division but he gots young fighters coming up that look to challenge him and be a real threat (Golovkin, Pirog, Quillin, Geale). Martinez has not cleared out the division by any means but the reason I bring him up is because he is the closest champion (besides the K brothers obviously) to make a dent in the division. Ward by comparison really only has Andre Dirrell left. The young guys coming up in his division (like an Adonis Stevenson) may be on the horizon, but the perception is Ward will beat these guys with ease. We have never seen Ward hurt either even though he keeps taking on the best. We have seen vulnerability in Mayweather (vs Mosley, Corley, Judah, Castillo), Martinez (Chavez Jr 12th round), and in Pacquiao ( Bradley, JMM) but have yet to see Ward "exposed". Given all of this I believe Ward is a legit P4P fighter and that he has indeed earned his status among the elite and that he will inevitable reign on top of the list in due time. Ward was dropped and hurt badly against Darnell Boone.

ward is worthy of p4p praise no doubt but how good is his resume? lets take a look..he beat: dawson (moving down in weight to 168, something he has'nt made since 2006) froch = good win , best win of his career imo abraham = another ok win ( but let's face it , AA is the every defintion of one dimentional fighter) kessler = good win, maybe his best win after these , who else? he got miranda and green... so how the hell can anyone rank him as the p4p king is beyond me...for reals! Let's not forget about Sakio Bika who deserves mention. I will say this Ward is the only active fighter to clear out the entire division and remain undefeated. It's not just the fact that he has beat these guys but the dominant fashion he has done it in. He has that aura of invincibility about him where you are almost certain he is goin to win before every time he fights. Dawson was viewed as a real pick em fight despite the weight but Ward completely dominated him. This just adds to that aura of being invincible. Was Ward the favorite? Yes. But nobody saw a lopsided TKO stoppage beatdown coming. Sergio Martinez has climbed to P4P status by beating the top guys in the division but he gots young fighters coming up that look to challenge him and be a real threat (Golovkin, Pirog, Quillin, Geale). Martinez has not cleared out the division by any means but the reason I bring him up is because he is the closest champion (besides the K brothers obviously) to make a dent in the division. Ward by comparison really only has Andre Dirrell left. The young guys coming up in his division (like an Adonis Stevenson) may be on the horizon, but the perception is Ward will beat these guys with ease. We have never seen Ward hurt either even though he keeps taking on the best. We have seen vulnerability in Mayweather (vs Mosley, Corley, Judah, Castillo), Martinez (Chavez Jr 12th round), and in Pacquiao ( Bradley, JMM) but have yet to see Ward "exposed". Given all of this I believe Ward is a legit P4P fighter and that he has indeed earned his status among the elite and that he will inevitable reign on top of the list in due time.

Probably already the best ever resume at 168 even given his relatively short career. Pretty much says it all.

P4P List 1.Ward 2.Martinez 3.Bradley 4.Mayweather 5.Pacquiao Manny and Floyd are no longer fighting to be the best. They are fighting to make big money. To be the best, you have to at least fight the best in your weight class and that hasn't happened because they refuse to fight each other. (For whatever reason) Both guys fights are still entertaining and must see tv, but they are no longer out to fight the best boxers out there. Ward, Martinez, and Bradley have all beat the best in their division. The super 6 made the top 168lbers fight each other and Ward came out on top. A win is a win no matter how the fight looked. He also beat Dawson who is the best 175lber. No matter what the situation was, he clearly beat him. Plus, it was Chad who wanted the fight and agreed to go down in weight. What other fighter can say they beat the best in their weight class and the best one weight class up? Martinez has beaten all the top contenders at 160 and destroyed Chavez for the championship. There is no disputing who is the best at 160. Bradley, before going to 147, defeated the top guy at 140 in Alexander. He beat some of the top guys at 140 at the time and is an undefeated champion.Whether you think he deserved the win over Manny or not, officially, he won. He stepped up to fight an all time great fighter and made it competitive with 2 hurt feet. Ward, Martinez, and Bradley have beaten some monsters in their prime. If we look at who has the better career resumes, then yes, Manny and Floyd are still on top. But if we look at what has taken place in the last 3 to 4 years, then those 2 are not p4p guys anymore.

Puga, p4p list are all fictional anyway. Martinez and Donaire are my two favourites at the moment but Id have Sergio higher just based on his form which has been sizzling lately. Donaire has class in abundance but before the fight with Nishioka he went through a dull spell where he said he was bored in fights. Im sure this will change though because as Martinez approaches the final chapter in his career, Donaire is improving and still to achieve his greatness in years to come. I wouldnt put up an argument against anyone whos sees it the other way though In regards to Pac, theres no doubt that when he was a freak of nature with endless reserves of energy he would rank higher on the list but over the last few years since the Cotto fight he hasnt stopped anyone it looks like he cant fight at pace or sustain attacks anymore. He is having a bad spell in his career and I think he will probably have another unconvincing performance with Marquez in December. So Im kinda pre empting his demise by putting him at 5. I think his decline will show over his next couple of fights and 2013 will be his last year cuz he doesnt need the money. Just a shame he never got the Floyd fight around 2008 where he stood his best chance What is your top 5?

1.Mayweather - Needs a good win though because Martinez is hot on his trail and has looked more impressive recently. Its only his long unbeaten run that puts him here 2.Martinez - Number 1 or two its debatable. I think he'd beat Floyd but p4p based on careers, Floyds record might just edge it 3.Donaire - Donaire and Wward are just outside the top 2 but closing in 4.Ward - Like it or not he is going to be around for a while staying unbeaten so weve gotta get use to it. If anything he will be going up in the p4p rankings beofre he comes down 5.Pac - Lucky to scrape 5th cuz he is coming off a loss ( 2 if you count the Marquez fight ) and hasnt stopped anyone in ages. Wvaldimir close to replacing him. i disagre about pac coz he got robbed vs braldey and i believe thats better than anything all of them four have done lately ...but whatever, ok but why do you have martinez over nonito when nonito has done more ?

1.Mayweather - Needs a good win though because Martinez is hot on his trail and has looked more impressive recently. Its only his long unbeaten run that puts him here 2.Martinez - Number 1 or two its debatable. I think he'd beat Floyd but p4p based on careers, Floyds record might just edge it 3.Donaire - Donaire and Wward are just outside the top 2 but closing in 4.Ward - Like it or not he is going to be around for a while staying unbeaten so weve gotta get use to it. If anything he will be going up in the p4p rankings beofre he comes down 5.Pac - Lucky to scrape 5th cuz he is coming off a loss ( 2 if you count the Marquez fight ) and hasnt stopped anyone in ages. Wvaldimir close to replacing him.

Puga, No I'd put Martinez infront of him but not Pac. Pac hasnt looked good in years. Donaire is defo not far behind infact Id have him at around 4. Its debatable if Ward is better than Donaire p4p so you could probably convince me otherwise on that as Donaire for me is fighter of the year. Either way I'd have Ward top 5 at the least. He is in the mix with those guys - Floyd ( whos starting to slip IMO with inactivity and no impressive wins ) Martinez - Really on fire at the moment and Donaire who looks back to is best. Where would you rank Ward p4p? let's see your top 5

Puga, No I'd put Martinez infront of him but not Pac. Pac hasnt looked good in years. Donaire is defo not far behind infact Id have him at around 4. Its debatable if Ward is better than Donaire p4p so you could probably convince me otherwise on that as Donaire for me is fighter of the year. Either way I'd have Ward top 5 at the least. He is in the mix with those guys - Floyd ( whos starting to slip IMO with inactivity and no impressive wins ) Martinez - Really on fire at the moment and Donaire who looks back to is best. Where would you rank Ward p4p?

Wards fights from super 6 onwards Kessler - Wards only half decent win beofre this was Miranda and that somehow qualified him for a shot at the world title in his hometown. This fight is still the most controversial of his career IMO. He was allowed to get away with headbutts that ultimatley got teh fight stopped and gave Ward the win. Green - Wward won every second of every round and all I can remeber was Green being pinned against teh ropes being wrestled in an ugly fight. Not pretty but convincing from Ward Abraham - Surprisingly competative for the first few rounds until Wards extra skills came into play. It was an impressive win over a dangerman who's lack of boxing ability had already been exposed in super 6. Bika- While everyone else in super 6 was struggling on the road Dre got another fight at home and even if he lost was still in the finals. Close fight for 6 rounds until Ward pulled away. May have made it harder on himself than it needed to be Froch - Great boxing by Ward. This is the night he really announced himself. There was no headbutting or ugly wrestling just pure skill. Scorecards were close but Wward put on a masterclass. Dawson - Severely weight drained and everyone in the world knew it would be a farce apart from Dawson. Nice win on paper but people in the know wodnt put too much emphasis on that fight. So after that run of fights I rate Ward highly p4p. Maybe not number 1 but top 3 top 3? so i assume pac and floyd are he only ones ahead of him , right ? how is his resume better than nonito's or martinez's? .

Wards fights from super 6 onwards Kessler - Wards only half decent win beofre this was Miranda and that somehow qualified him for a shot at the world title in his hometown. This fight is still the most controversial of his career IMO. He was allowed to get away with headbutts that ultimatley got teh fight stopped and gave Ward the win. Green - Wward won every second of every round and all I can remeber was Green being pinned against teh ropes being wrestled in an ugly fight. Not pretty but convincing from Ward Abraham - Surprisingly competative for the first few rounds until Wards extra skills came into play. It was an impressive win over a dangerman who's lack of boxing ability had already been exposed in super 6. Bika- While everyone else in super 6 was struggling on the road Dre got another fight at home and even if he lost was still in the finals. Close fight for 6 rounds until Ward pulled away. May have made it harder on himself than it needed to be Froch - Great boxing by Ward. This is the night he really announced himself. There was no headbutting or ugly wrestling just pure skill. Scorecards were close but Wward put on a masterclass. Dawson - Severely weight drained and everyone in the world knew it would be a farce apart from Dawson. Nice win on paper but people in the know wodnt put too much emphasis on that fight. So after that run of fights I rate Ward highly p4p. Maybe not number 1 but top 3

super 6 was the bomb , no doubt about it ...but let's face it the super 6 aint all that good to begin with , ward was/is the only one thats worthy exept for jermain taylor ( who was prolly aint the same since pavlik anyways)

seriously?.. Seriously what?

Who do you have above Ward in terms of resume/wins? seriously?..