Do you agree with ESPN as Pacquiao #4 P4P?

Many Pacquiao just beat Timothy Bradley (official result notwithstanding), who was in most people's top 10 p4p lists. While Mayweather beat Ortiz, Ward beat Dawson at 168, and Martinez beat Chavez Jr. Bradley > Ortiz, Dawson at 168, and Chavez Jr. I don't understand the sudden demotions at all. Marquez beat Pac in their 3rd fight(official result notwitstanding)

Floyd 4 fights in the last 5 years vs Pacquiao 10 fights in the same years beside Pacquiao did better against Mosley and Cotto I don't think Floyd deserves to be put in front or behind Pacquiao. Pac fought Mosley a year after Floyd beat him up and he was coming off a draw against Sergio Mora. Pac actually didn't do better, he dropped Shane but after that he had trouble cutting off the ring. Pac also got a gift against Marquez who got shut out by Floyd.

how the hell do you put a guy who almost got KTFO by chavez jr. ahead of pac who beat a top 10 p4p fighter? Except almost doesn't count... :|... Pac almost got stopped by Shane. :P Or..Floyd and Pac ALMOST fought....but they didn't.

He lost to bradley and got whooped by JMM..so yes . He should be lucky they put him as #4 Pac beat both but weight cheating and sucker punching your 2 opponents in your 4 fights for the last 5 years is p4p #1 worthy though.:baby:

how the hell do you put a guy who almost got KTFO by chavez jr. ahead of pac who beat a top 10 p4p fighter? What? Ur retarded he fkd dope head jr. up..for 11 rounds martinez toyed with him..he got caught but kept brawling with jr...and pac got whopped by jmm lol

He lost to bradley and got whooped by JMM..so yes . He should be lucky they put him as #4

So if Manny destroys Marquez then he moves from 4th to 1st? Based on what? He should destroy Marquez, it should be expected. Marquez is fighting above his natural weight and is 40! If pac beat Mayweather then yes i agree hes p4p no1! But beating MArquez wont put him in front of Martinez. I dont agree with Ward's placement anyway, he beat Dawson but refused the Bute fight.You are not understanding what I said at all. Try reading it carefully.I said the only reason I dropped him from 1st to 4th was because he looked off in his last two fights. I also said all the top guys are very close meaning there is not much difference between #4 and #1 to me.If Pacquiao can clearly beat a determined Marquez that means the old Pacquiao is back and that Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world in my opinion. As far as I am concerned Pacquiao is, was, and always will be a better fighter than Martinez. I don't really care if you don't agree with my placement of Ward or anything else you don't like about my list. You see it's MY LIST not YOUR LIST. If I think my list needs to be changed I'll change it for my own reasons, not because a stranger on boxing scene tells me to. I suggest you make your own pfp. list however you want to and let others have their own opinions even if you don't agree. By the way Marquez is 39 years old, not 40 but then you knew that, didn't you. Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size and will weigh within two pounds of each other and Marquez is still a damn good fighter who troubles Pacquiao the way Norton used to trouble Ali.I don't think Pacquiao has to beat Mayweather to be #1. I have Mayweather at #3 and if he does not fight a credible opponent by May of next year I'll drop him lower. Bute vs. Ward? I wonder who would win that fight. I am going to make a wild guess and say Ward would win even if they fought in Montreal.

how the hell do you put a guy who almost got KTFO by chavez jr. ahead of pac who beat a top 10 p4p fighter?

Anybody disagree with the Klitschko brothers, Bradley, and Cotto in the top 10? If you can replace those 4, who would you put? Froch, even though he lost to Ward, he did beat Bute. Viloria has good wins, specially Segura. Marco Huck, even though he officially lost, both media and fans have him beating Povetkin. Mike Garcia, knocking out Khan. Ansel Moreno Who else?

Pacquiao in reality was only number 1 for like a few months til Floyd came back (and even then some people can debate it)... If there's a number one and two...fighting in the same weight class...number two should never move ahead of number one without beating him, so there's that... that would make sense especially since he beat the same dudes number one used to get there...so nothing really new there...aside from some weak opposition tossed in. Pac hasn't been number 1 for years.. ever to some. I agree with him being lower than Floyd, but it's a toss up from there. Martinez and Ward have put in work consistently, with every performance topping the last. Donaire had a good win over Nishioka, but he was kind of in stasis prior to that. How highly would you value Wladimir? Can you in good faith have Pac higher than JMM if you feel JMM beat him? What about Bradley? Does anyone even care about him anymore? Do you count an official win over Pac? Do you honestly feel he was even legitimately in the top 10 p4p and not just there to hype him up for said Pac fight? It's all subjective. Hell, even if Pac knocks out Marquez, or vice versa does anyone even CARE anymore? In the grand scheme of things they're not shaking up the "p4p" rankings by just fighting each other. JMM is older but he can just fight Pac. Dude could come off 20 straight KO losses and still go in there and give Manny hell. S hit, these guys are on the list partly in thanks to each other. :|

There are a lot of active boxers in the sport, number 4 isn't that bad..:killyou:

Pac should be #1 and it isn't even close Cotto beat floyd but got robbed Ward beat Dawson who wasn't at his proper weight and was overrated to being with Martinez beat JCC JR who is a nothing more than a green prospect and almost got KTFO in the last round Pac is 1 Ward or Donaire should be 2 Hard to believe this nuthugger still isn't banned

Lost to Marquez and then beat Bradley, either way he's 1-1 in his last 2 fights against guys he made move up. #4 is correct. The three guys ranked higher deserve to be ranked higher. Spot on!!!

Ortiz wasn't even a Top 20. Pacquiao won a close decision to Marquez (p4p top 6), robbed against Bradley. I can accept Ward being #1. He cleaned his division. But...Why's Floyd Mayweather #1. But...WTH... we know that's Fat Rafael's madness!

Bias to what exactly? I don't give a sh*t about Pacquiao and Mayweather. JMM didn't belong above 135 and moving up to take that fight, people expected him to get KO'd....he instead should have won. Bradley also fought one time at 147, before moving back to 140 for his next two. Yeah he called people out, but he still wasn;t a 147lb fighter. Those two guys were out of their weight classes and JMM still clearly won. #4 is correct. Okay you said your not bias but my point to you is Pac did not force Bradley and JMM to moved up in weight. It don't matter if they don't belong in the WW division, they decided themselves. Pac moved up to WW and stayed there. Dela Hoya didn't force Pac and Floyd to move up in weight to fight him. JMM have a history with Pac and so why he followed up in weight. Bradley on the other hand, that if he beats Pac, he thinks he would be like Pac/Floyd when they beat Oscar. Nobody force Dawson to go down against Ward or BHOP against Tarver.

He should be #2 behind Floyd. Floyd 4 fights in the last 5 years vs Pacquiao 10 fights in the same years beside Pacquiao did better against Mosley and Cotto I don't think Floyd deserves to be put in front or behind Pacquiao.

Pac should be #1 and it isn't even close Cotto beat floyd but got robbed Ward beat Dawson who wasn't at his proper weight and was overrated to being with Martinez beat JCC JR who is a nothing more than a green prospect and almost got KTFO in the last round Pac is 1 Ward or Donaire should be 2 This post is completely delusional. Floyd never lost to cotto! what fight were you watching! i gave him 2 maybe 3 rounds. As for Martinez, isnt dominating JCC for 11 and a half rounds, getting caught but fought back and survived enough to earn your respect? I would much rather see that fight again than any manny vs marquez or manny vs bradley!

I voted that Pacquiao being ranked #4 is about right for now. I have Donaire #1 Ward #2,Mayweather #3 Pacquiao #4 Martinez #5 and Marquez #6. I dropped Pacquiao from #1 to #4 not because I thought he lost to either Marquez or Bradley. I thought he clearly beat Bradley by a wide margin and barely beat Marquez. I dropped him because he did not KO Bradley and beat Marquez clearly. He looked way off in both fights and did not perform like the #1 pfp. guy should perform. Ward and Donaire have been winning big over top guys for a while now. I think all the top guys are very close and a good fight or a bad fight by any of them could change where I rank them. If Pacquiao shows his old form and beats Marquez by a wide margin then I will return him to the #1 spot. So if Manny destroys Marquez then he moves from 4th to 1st? Based on what? He should destroy Marquez, it should be expected. Marquez is fighting above his natural weight and is 40! If pac beat Mayweather then yes i agree hes p4p no1! But beating MArquez wont put him in front of Martinez. I dont agree with Ward's placement anyway, he beat Dawson but refused the Bute fight.

I agree, I'm not with the conspiracy theorist on it being a fixed fight on Pac vs Bradley but lets just say.... Maybe Pac has set the bar to high, maybe the judges were expecting Pacquiao to be much more dominate, like numerous knockdowns again Bradley and that's why they scored it for Bradley, the bar was set so high by Pacquiao and he did not reach it. No. Judges cant base one fight on a fighter past fights. Bradley made the fight awqward and that is why he stole a few rounds. He should never have to the Decision. But either way Bradley has come off worse! No one wants to fight the guy! He 'beat' Manny and now hes having to take a step down in opposition? Justice is served!

LOL at your bias right there. Let see, JMM fought once at 147 at WW. JMM has been following Pac in every weight division that Pac goes up too. Bradley has fought once at 147 and been calling out Pac(Mayweather also), and he damns now those fight is gonna happen at 147. Bias to what exactly? I don't give a sh*t about Pacquiao and Mayweather. JMM didn't belong above 135 and moving up to take that fight, people expected him to get KO'd....he instead should have won. Bradley also fought one time at 147, before moving back to 140 for his next two. Yeah he called people out, but he still wasn;t a 147lb fighter. Those two guys were out of their weight classes and JMM still clearly won. #4 is correct.