Is Kell Brook a serious contender/prospect at WW?

He didn't lose respect for Brook until he had started to gas. Jones got brave a few times in the first half of the fight and paid for it, he was getting caught clean over and over and was visibly stunned a couple of times in the process. Brook began to tire in the 6th and Jones picked up on it, he then took the fight over from the 8th on (11th being 50/50). The only reason that fight got close was because of poor conditioning, until Brook gassed it was an example of fighters at different levels. As has been the case since, his conditioning is what we'll keep an eye on. Jones was also landing to the body too, but his reach didn't allow him to be 100% effective when he got up close. Saldivia isn't as seasoned as Jones, but he has more pop and fights better on the inside. Brook is gonna have to work a lot to keep Hector off of him, and that could lead to him tiring out once again. I already put a little money on the upset. Brook is gonna have to prove his toughness. He got his nose broke against Jones, so we know he has it in him.

He damn near did sort that out. 114-114, 115-113. This is a guy who's 34-8 and has losses to guys that are used for fighters to look good like Alfonso Gomez, Freddy Hernandez, Karrass, Roberto Garcia. Carson Jones isn't even in their level. He had no business fighting such a close fight with Brook if Brook is all that good. Jones is a different guy than when he lost to most of those cats, he was fighting those guy when he was 20 (he is 26 now) and very green. He has upped his game a lot since then. Soto Karass did do a number on him but he was still a work in progress. Is Carson Jones really that good, if you are talking world class champion level then no but for a gate keeper he is certainly good enough to test a contender as he currently is.

He hasn't fought top ten contender yet, I think. All I can remember is Carson Jones is decent one and yet the one he struggled against. So no, I don't think him to be serious until he fights real opposition like his fellow countryman Amir Khan.

Brook didn't magically gas by himself, Jones took the fight to him and hurt him. He was being careful in the first half because of Brook's power but when he decided to turn the heat on he exposed Brook. Brook has shown stamina issues in the past, in fights he has totally dominated. It's a problem that has been there, it was just brought to the forefront because Jones put pressure on him. Sometimes it has to be on full display for a fighter to correct it, we'll see if that happens. Boxing fans are ridiculous to use the 'exposed' nonsense after one tough fight or sub-par performance, all fighters need those gut-check fights to see what they have abd Brook came through his. Most top fighters have one of those on the path to world level.

Sure he is a legit contender, 147 is pretty soft now so he could make some waves but time will tell if he can really make that next step beyond contender. Jones is a good trial horse, currently.

Brook didn't magically gas by himself, Jones took the fight to him and hurt him. He was being careful in the first half because of Brook's power but when he decided to turn the heat on he exposed Brook. "Being careful" as in getting completely outclassed. Yeah Im sure that was part of the game plan....

He's a prospect who'll fight for a belt and possibly become a world champion at some point and have a good career with some good wins. He's not a bum or a hype-job, Jones would've sorted that out if it were true. He's definitely got some skills and talent but he's not without his flaws. Stamina is a big one, nearly cost him the Jones fight. He's got many defensive flaws which should've really been sorted out by now. He's too open for that right-hand at times and I can see that really causing him problems against better opposition. Ends his career after being a highly rated welterweight. He damn near did sort that out. 114-114, 115-113. This is a guy who's 34-8 and has losses to guys that are used for fighters to look good like Alfonso Gomez, Freddy Hernandez, Karrass, Roberto Garcia. Carson Jones isn't even in their level. He had no business fighting such a close fight with Brook if Brook is all that good.

He didn't lose respect for Brook until he had started to gas. Jones got brave a few times in the first half of the fight and paid for it, he was getting caught clean over and over and was visibly stunned a couple of times in the process. Brook began to tire in the 6th and Jones picked up on it, he then took the fight over from the 8th on (11th being 50/50). The only reason that fight got close was because of poor conditioning, until Brook gassed it was an example of fighters at different levels. As has been the case since, his conditioning is what we'll keep an eye on. Brook didn't magically gas by himself, Jones took the fight to him and hurt him. He was being careful in the first half because of Brook's power but when he decided to turn the heat on he exposed Brook.

Hes a legit contender he needs to take training more serious and he could get a strap. The only 147 champ that anybody can get a shot at is Paulie. Pac is only fighting inhouse lightweights and super lightweights and Floyds only fighting??? Canelo. Anyways he should fight Khan if hes coming up to 147.

Jones was trying to box and use his reach, he was boxing the boxer. Couple that with his lack of power, and it's a recipe to get outclassed. Once he lost respect for Brook and started letting his offense go, the momentum shifted in his favor. Brook has to come with better conditioning this time around, cuz Saldivia is good on the inside and throws with conviction. Brook can't afford to fade down the stretch. He didn't lose respect for Brook until he had started to gas. Jones got brave a few times in the first half of the fight and paid for it, he was getting caught clean over and over and was visibly stunned a couple of times in the process. Brook began to tire in the 6th and Jones picked up on it, he then took the fight over from the 8th on (11th being 50/50). The only reason that fight got close was because of poor conditioning, until Brook gassed it was an example of fighters at different levels. As has been the case since, his conditioning is what we'll keep an eye on.

I think he's a serious contender. I think he can beat Alexander

It wasn't being passive in the first half that was Jones' problem, he was outclassed. He was getting hit on the way in, countered when he did throw and generally being beaten by a better fighter. Jones didn't do anything at all until Brook began to gas. Jones was trying to box and use his reach, he was boxing the boxer. Couple that with his lack of power, and it's a recipe to get outclassed. Once he lost respect for Brook and started letting his offense go, the momentum shifted in his favor. Brook has to come with better conditioning this time around, cuz Saldivia is good on the inside and throws with conviction. Brook can't afford to fade down the stretch.

I used to think he could be. Now Im not so sure. He'll be 27 soon and has fought the bottom barrel of WW's. What does it matter how old he is? I dont understand. His career has been a bit of a slow burner because Frank Warren didn't really promote him well. He's made a natural progression up the ranks since going to Eddie Hearn and is on the brink of a title shot. He has plenty of years left to prove people right or wrong.

His killer instinct got him stopped against Quali, shit happens. But that was over 2 years ago, and it's a mistake that can be corrected in training. Saldivia doesn't look like the type to put on the ear muffs and just let the opponent bang away, he's gonna look for openings and try to create them too. He'll be looking to time/counter the faster fighter. Could that get him hurt? Yeah, but it still seems like a better idea than just waiting and giving away rounds. I expect Saldivia to employ a better game-plan than Jones did. Jones was a bit too passive in the first half and it's the reason why he lost the fight. It wasn't being passive in the first half that was Jones' problem, he was outclassed. He was getting hit on the way in, countered when he did throw and generally being beaten by a better fighter. Jones didn't do anything at all until Brook began to gas.

I used to think he could be. Now Im not so sure. He'll be 27 soon and has fought the bottom barrel of WW's.

I have every faith in him, sure he had a bad night against jones, but that may well turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to him. Definitely good enough to win a world title at some point.

B+ fighter at best.

Saldivia seems chinny though. Jones would have lost early without his iron chin. Besides Jones is much better than his record, and would be trouble for half the welter top ten. His killer instinct got him stopped against Quali, shit happens. But that was over 2 years ago, and it's a mistake that can be corrected in training. Saldivia doesn't look like the type to put on the ear muffs and just let the opponent bang away, he's gonna look for openings and try to create them too. He'll be looking to time/counter the faster fighter. Could that get him hurt? Yeah, but it still seems like a better idea than just waiting and giving away rounds. I expect Saldivia to employ a better game-plan than Jones did. Jones was a bit too passive in the first half and it's the reason why he lost the fight.

Ok, watching some of Saldivia's fights. He has the infamous Argentinean power, pretty explosive and has a good offensive repertoire to complement his power. He's also a pretty solid/compact WW, probably giving up a 1-2 inches in height/reach. Money punches seem to be the right uppercut and the right hook to the body. He knows how to maintain distance, knows how to slip and avoid shots, decent hand-speed. Doesn't mind taking a step back to reset his position, take his foot off the gas so he can recuperate. Pretty agile for an in-fighting brawler. His killer instinct is a double edged sword, can get very reckless and totally abandons his defense. He also doesn't utilize a jab enough. So, Brook should be able to outbox him, but Saldivia is fast enough to catch and hurt him. The championship rounds will be very interesting. I still pick Saldivia by late stoppage. Saldivia seems chinny though. Jones would have lost early without his iron chin. Besides Jones is much better than his record, and would be trouble for half the welter top ten.

Ok, watching some of Saldivia's fights. He has the infamous Argentinean power, pretty explosive and has a good offensive repertoire to complement his power. He's also a pretty solid/compact WW, probably giving up a 1-2 inches in height/reach. Money punches seem to be the right uppercut and the right hook to the body. He knows how to maintain distance, knows how to slip and avoid shots, decent hand-speed. Doesn't mind taking a step back to reset his position, take his foot off the gas so he can recuperate. Pretty agile for an in-fighting brawler. His killer instinct is a double edged sword, can get very reckless and totally abandons his defense. He also doesn't utilize a jab enough. So, Brook should be able to outbox him, but Saldivia is fast enough to catch and hurt him. The championship rounds will be very interesting. I still pick Saldivia by late stoppage.