Where Do You Place Rigondeaux Now?

If he feel disrespected he is a very insecure guy, GR hasn't being rude or nothing like that... Oh he is insecure i think, but basically it's like Ward/Bute pre Froch, except even larger gap in hype/accomplishment

I did stream the fight live, I was surprised this beanpole was giving Caba the business. He didn't know how to deal with a guy same height. So that's 2 times Mathebula has overperformed against a Ring top 10 p4per! I have no issue with Donaire Rigo now or later. I'd prefer later, except sure seems like Donaire is ducking him. Not sure why, maybe he's feeling disrespected, as he maybe should. If he feel disrespected he is a very insecure guy, GR hasn't being rude or nothing like that...

Did you watch Caballero-Mathebula fight, and did you mis the part where I say that he gave a good account of himself? The point is that we don't have a Wilfredo Gomez or Panama Al Brown in the division, none of them can claim the #1 spot unless they fight against each other, so again how do you rate them in their current WD? I did stream the fight live, I was surprised this beanpole was giving Caba the business. He didn't know how to deal with a guy same height. So that's 2 times Mathebula has overperformed against a Ring top 10 p4per! I have no issue with Donaire Rigo now or later. I'd prefer later, except sure seems like Donaire is ducking him. Not sure why, maybe he's feeling disrespected, as he maybe should.

I thought Mathebula beat caballero, who was way better than shimoda, but didnt get the dec in panama. And looked better doing it than Rico losing all rounds before the ko. I've seen at least 5 Ramos fights, and he's only looked good once, one shotting a cracked chin journeyman. Did you watch Caballero-Mathebula fight, and did you mis the part where I say that he gave a good account of himself? The point is that we don't have a Wilfredo Gomez or Panama Al Brown in the division, none of them can claim the #1 spot unless they fight against each other, so again how do you rate them in their current WD?

I'm going to say something that I know and not too many knows about it, Rigondeaux didn't want to fight Marroquin, his trainer have to get him out of his bed and explain him that he will be suit and lose a lots of time and money, he was frustrated with the court and all the $h1t that was happening, regardless of who was at fault, still he went there and won a clear dec against a kid with a heck of amateur resume and power in both hands, I c a bright future for Marroquin and his next few fight will tell what kind of fighter he is.

You can't have it both way, either you are good or not, and the only time Mathebula step up he loss, caballero/donaire(althought he gave a good account of himself) marketable or not he didn't win his belt against a Champ, Ramos did, we talking about accomplisment not marketability I thought Mathebula beat caballero, who was way better than shimoda, but didnt get the dec in panama. And looked better doing it than Rico losing all rounds before the ko. I've seen at least 5 Ramos fights, and he's only looked good once, one shotting a cracked chin journeyman.

You can't have it both way, either you are good or not, and the only time Mathebula step up he loss, caballero/donaire(althought he gave a good account of himself) marketable or not he didn't win his belt against a Champ, Ramos did, we talking about accomplisment not marketability actually he did againts a chmapion in ndlovu

he is below Mares and Moreno i would like to see Vasquez vs. Rigo next Why he is below, because you say so? A win over Morel doesn't give him the edge and Moreno hasn't fought in the division, so I can't see your logic,

Of course. But you know very well that he isn't going to fight them because they are with Golden Boy. Bob Arum won't make those fights for him. Rigo shouldn't have resigned with Top Rank. Arum won't even give him Donaire despite the fact that he promotes both of them. I think you're right about Golden Boy, but Arum seems to want the Donaire-Rigondeaux fight now. He's been bringing it up in interviews a lot as a match he'd like to make. It's Nonito himself who keeps making the excuses.

he is below Mares and Moreno i would like to see Vasquez vs. Rigo next

Vazquez is in the same ballpark as Ramos "accomplishment" wise, but he's better, more marketable, more fighter than Rico. Mathebula is not more marketable, but he's more proven than any Rigo opponent since Cordoba. You can't have it both way, either you are good or not, and the only time Mathebula step up he loss, caballero/donaire(althought he gave a good account of himself) marketable or not he didn't win his belt against a Champ, Ramos did, we talking about accomplisment not marketability

even baldomir had 1 title defense. all hail lord baldomir! So you think Rico Ramos was a legit #2? Did you catch his last bout on telefutura?

And Vazquez won the belt from who? Mathebula won his from Oscar Chauke and had one defense against Takalani Ndlovu, I guess that make him a worthy opponent for Nonito PS. These are Vazquez opponents before an old a$$ Arce, Marvin Sonsona Zsolt Bedak Ivan Hernandez Vazquez is in the same ballpark as Ramos "accomplishment" wise, but he's better, more marketable, more fighter than Rico. Mathebula is not more marketable, but he's more proven than any Rigo opponent since Cordoba.

top 3 to 4. Amateur resume doesnt automatically translate to a professional one. we are not talking career wise, at 122 neither one of them have prove anything, so how do you go about it, resume in other division, because you like the guy or dislike him, talent?

It was all for the Shimoda win, I doubt Rico was even top 10 before. Shimoda was also not top 10 when he beat Lee, who was also not top 10 when he upset Poonsawat. That's 3 champs in a row with 0 title defenses. And Vazquez won the belt from who? Mathebula won his from Oscar Chauke and had one defense against Takalani Ndlovu, I guess that make him a worthy opponent for Nonito PS. These are Vazquez opponents before an old a$$ Arce, Marvin Sonsona Zsolt Bedak Ivan Hernandez

rico ramos lineal champ? :lol1: What I meant is that it wasn't a vacant belt, he was the Champ from that Org, and took the belt from the Japanese Champ... I wasn't talking about the Ring Belt

It was all for the Shimoda win, I doubt Rico was even top 10 before. Shimoda was also not top 10 when he beat Lee, who was also not top 10 when he upset Poonsawat. That's 3 champs in a row with 0 title defenses. even baldomir had 1 title defense. all hail lord baldomir!

I stand corrected. Just checked and Rico Ramos was #2. Wow, Rico Ramos at #2? :lol1: That's surprising. Ramos is a solid fighter but now we know how good he really is it slipped my mind he was ever ranked that highly. It was all for the Shimoda win, I doubt Rico was even top 10 before. Shimoda was also not top 10 when he beat Lee, who was also not top 10 when he upset Poonsawat. That's 3 champs in a row with 0 title defenses.

Ok, Mares beat Morel to win his belt and Moreno hasn't fought at 122 just yet, Rigondeaux won his belt fron the linear Champ and defend the belt against Teo/Marroquin donaire won one belt against Vazquez jr. and the other from Mathebula, and now he beat up a 36 year old fighter that was comtemplating retirement before he got his last SS check and was on the shelf for almost two year: 1-ND 2-GR 3-AMares 4-AM I think if we are going by numbers it should be like this, if we going by ducking it should be different. rico ramos lineal champ? :lol1:

Ok, Mares beat Morel to win his belt and Moreno hasn't fought at 122 just yet, Rigondeaux won his belt fron the linear Champ and defend the belt against Teo/Marroquin donaire won one belt against Vazquez jr. and the other from Mathebula, and now he beat up a 36 year old fighter that was comtemplating retirement before he got his last SS check and was on the shelf for almost two year: 1-ND 2-GR 3-AMares 4-AM I think if we are going by numbers it should be like this, if we going by ducking it should be different.