Froch, Kessler, Johnson, Abraham - which fighters beat weight-drained 168 Dawson?

Same thing, the are biased The only one that knows if the weight affected Dawson is Dawson. I have boxed at middelweight, lightheavy and cruiser, and I am it sure as hell the only one that knows have my body feels at the different weights. Everything suggests he had big difficulties coming down to a weight where he hadn't fought for 6+ years. We are talking about a guy who weighs 190 in the ring after weighing in at 175. This guy has to drop 7 lbs of muscle. Not easy and everything points towards it being extremely difficult.

I'd say Froch and Kessler for sure. The only other close possibility is Andre Dirrell, but he's been out of action lately and if he had to go into the fight tomorrow to fight Dawson, I think he would lose.

This TS must have no life outside crying about Dawson supposedly being drained. FFS,get over it. Ward wrecks him in any given situation. Now, regarding that list, I think very few guys beat Dawson,drained or not. Definitely not Froch or Abraham, even though I like them.

Ward makes almost every fighter look easy to beat thats means nothing.

Controversial here, but I think Dirrell would be too fast for Dawson who at 168 has slightly slower reflexes from making weight, could see a UD there. Froch I could see applying the pressure and possibly forcing a close controversial UD. Dawson would land good straight lefts but Froch would just keep coming and maybe grind the victory. Depends on Dawsons pop at 168 as Froch is easier to hit than Ward. Dawson would beat Abraham by decision provided he boxed him, but with Dawson's legs and chin a little shaky at 168 if AA catches him there could be a stoppage. Dawson and Kessler would be a close one, still think Dawson has the speed and slickness over Kessler at 168 but again its how his legs would hold up to Kesslers bombs, otherwise could see a decision over this version of Kessler. Both styles would be difficult to one another. Dawson beats everybody else by decision. Johnson, Green and Bute in my opinion are all tight at 168 like Dawson. Current Bute/Dawson would be a southpaw chess match, both weary of their stamina/chins, but I see Dawson's speed edging a close decision, although Bute's body punching could wear down Dawson late in the fight. Bute would have an edge in power but it'd be interesting to see whether their stances created the angles to capitalise on any chances one another gave. Sorry, but even at 175 Kessler smacks Dawson around. So does Froch. Dawson just ain't that good.

Froch is the only guy I could give a chance. Slight edge to Dawson.

The same story came from sparringpartners. Dawson spent more time in the sauna than training. Same thing, the are biased The only one that knows if the weight affected Dawson is Dawson. I have boxed at middelweight, lightheavy and cruiser, and I am it sure as hell the only one that knows have my body feels at the different weights.

Well, your take on the Green fight is an opinion without any evidence to substantiate. The logical conclusion is that Ward was unable to KO Green like Kessler and Johnson. He simply does not possess the same power as those two and his record in 26 fights attests to that. But because Dawson was weight-drained he was ripe for being KO'd. In some ways the fact Ward didn't finish the job much earlier is more evidence towards his lack of power, arguably Froch, Kessler and Johnson would have ended it sooner. My evidence is my boxing knowledge In the green fight ward did not swing or throw his punches with all his weight, or did he kill him from distance with hard straight punches. He just got up close and mauled Greeen to death, if you have ever been fighting then you will know that there is no worse beating then getting mauled by a stronger guy. And besides that Ward landed enourgh to send Green to the hospital. When that is said, I agree that kesslers straight punches and Froch`s uppercuts and hooks are stronger and dos more damaged.

all of them... even the 160 sergio martinez beats that 168 dawson...

His coach is the most biased person around Dawson. Scully would never publicly state that Dawson got his ass beat because he is not as good as Ward, the reason is that he cares for him. Any boxer will tell you that the bond between the coach and the fighter is a special bond. The same story came from sparringpartners. Dawson spent more time in the sauna than training.

I suggest reading what coach Scully said. His coach is the most biased person around Dawson. Scully would never publicly state that Dawson got his ass beat because he is not as good as Ward, the reason is that he cares for him. Any boxer will tell you that the bond between the coach and the fighter is a special bond.

If your'e getting dropped multiple times by Ward then it's safe to say your in trouble against the hard hitters of the division

considering ward kd'd dawson with the first flush punch, they all likely ko dawson, except for green, probabley doesn't land anything good enough, since he's yaknow, not that good

True, that crossed my mind earlier too, coach Scully even hinted quite a few times before the fight that there was a possibility Dawson would be weight-drained, simply because Dawson was going back down to 168 after being settled at 175 for a long time, so Dawson's reaction to the weight fluctuation was indeterminable. He was on a few radio shows being interviewed when I heard his take. You don't need to read much into it: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkboxing/post/_/id/2091/trainer-scully-says-weight-drain-hurt-dawson-badly-vs-ward For real, I asked, was Dawson weight-drained? "Unbelievably," Scully told me. And when did you know this? "A couple weeks ago," Scully said.

I suggest reading what coach Scully said. True, that crossed my mind earlier too, coach Scully even hinted quite a few times before the fight that there was a possibility Dawson would be weight-drained, simply because Dawson was going back down to 168 after being settled at 175 for a long time, so Dawson's reaction to the weight fluctuation was indeterminable. He was on a few radio shows being interviewed when I heard his take.

I think Kessler n Dirrell can win but doesnt they mean they will beat, i watched an uncomfortable Chad, Froch would be an easy target for that jab of dawson n would keep him away, Kessler can adjust a lil better so i see him giving him a good battle, n Dirrell would box smarter with skills n has a chance to beat him, but i dont see neither Kessler or Dirrell schooling Dawson like Ward did lol, daily i see a new thread of some against Ward, Pacquiao, lots of haters out here, obviously the weight affected Dawson he hadnt been under 175 in years lol, but he was school so easy that Ward will do it the same way at 175

Except Dawson did say after the fight that the weight was not the reason he lost, and that is really all there is to it. And explain this to me, if Dawson was soo weak and drained, why did he recover from the first knockdown and go on to fight hard the next 8 rounds ? Kessler,abraham,froch have never been stoped and are all known for there thoughness. The allen green fight I think ward just wanted to slowly torture him and break him down psykological because of all the prefight venom coming from Greens mouth. And he did exactly that and green have been a wreck ever since Put ward in there with lesser apponents you would be calling Ward the knockout king. I suggest reading what coach Scully said.

Kessler is a joke? WTF? Kessler beat Froch. He"s a troll. Dont feed him.

.. The allen green fight I think ward just wanted to slowly torture him and break him down psykological because of all the prefight venom coming from Greens mouth. And he did exactly that and green have been a wreck ever since Put ward in there with lesser apponents you would be calling Ward the knockout king. Well, your take on the Green fight is an opinion without any evidence to substantiate. The logical conclusion is that Ward was unable to KO Green like Kessler and Johnson. He simply does not possess the same power as those two and his record in 26 fights attests to that. But because Dawson was weight-drained he was ripe for being KO'd. In some ways the fact Ward didn't finish the job much earlier is more evidence towards his lack of power, arguably Froch, Kessler and Johnson would have ended it sooner.

Ok well Dawson was never dropped and stopped by anyone and he fought everyone at LHW. Andre Ward is not a big puncher and has'nt stopped anybody. It's kind of a coincidence that Dawson gets stopped the one time he moves down is it? Are you in Dawsons body? Why do you say wwhat you say like you know what you are talking about? Your opinion has no more truth than what anyone else is saying because you don't know anymore than anyone else on this situsation. Stop saying things like it's a definate fact! You really don't know **** yourself. The weight did effect him and the outcome may have been different if he was'nt drained. leave it at that. You have to atleast acknowledge every aspect before just commenting because than you look ignorant yourself. Except Dawson did say after the fight that the weight was not the reason he lost, and that is really all there is to it. And explain this to me, if Dawson was soo weak and drained, why did he recover from the first knockdown and go on to fight hard the next 8 rounds ? Kessler,abraham,froch have never been stoped and are all known for there thoughness. The allen green fight I think ward just wanted to slowly torture him and break him down psykological because of all the prefight venom coming from Greens mouth. And he did exactly that and green have been a wreck ever since Put ward in there with lesser apponents you would be calling Ward the knockout king.