Martinez vs Chavez Jr : that 12th round is a problem

I am by no means a Chavez Jr fan, I was rooting for Martinez and I really enjoyed watching him school the spoiled brat for 11 rounds. The real champion got his belt back, he got the fame and recognition, and the hypejob is now beltless and disgraced. That's all I wanted, the fight restored some sanity in boxing. With that being said, what happened in that final round is important. I've seen a lot of people dismiss that round or sweep it under the rug, either blinded by their love of Martinez or their hatred of Chavez Jr. Saying things like "one round does't matter" "Martinez just got careless" or "Chavez Jr couldn't finish him, neener-neener". People too happy about the result and not willing to look into the details of that result. Martinez got hit by 37 power punches in a single round, that is a problem. If Chavez Jr was a great fighter I wouldn't hold it against Martinez but he's not. He's a decent fighter at best who wins his fights because he enjoys a 20 lb advantage over his opponents. He's not fast, he's not accurate and he's not very skilled. He threw basic punches from regular angles and most of them landed flush, that is a problem. Martinez got hurt and dropped but instead of clinching, moving away or moving his head, he just stood there like a deer in the headlights and threw some flicking jabs while Chavez was snapping his head from side to side with power shots. The usually inaccurate Chavez had a hard time missing him. That is a problem. Forget who you like/dislike, forget which countries these guys are from, just block all that stuff out, watch the 12th round again and tell me if it's just a little mishap that needs to be forgotten :

Comments (20)

Light_Speed

I distinctly remember Margo shouting "you win daniel" after the ring doctor come in. You said Santos dropped Margarito and made him quit. That stuff didn't happen. I don´t think Martínez looked any smaller than Jr., a little shorter but his upper body, head and arms looked bigger. http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Def_Fit/GIF/madgif10.gif

13y ago

Phantomas

I don´t think Martínez looked any smaller than Jr., a little shorter but his upper body, head and arms looked bigger. Anyway, canelo is not fighting him and neither Floyd most likely. Golovkin and Pirog are tougher challenges and better fights that Cotto and Canelo, he should give us that.

13y ago

kiaba360

Who knows?, Martínez could come too drained and weak, or too big and strong for those guys... and of course too good for Canelo. Pirog and Golovkin are better fights, Martínez needs to risk something soon if he wants to become hof... I´m even thinking of Ward, Martínez was 176 pounds last fight so a match at 168 doesn´t sound crazy. Martinez too big and strong for Canelo? Canelo rehydrates anywhere from 164-170. And I've read that Martinez weighed 167 unofficially, not 176. The size difference was quite apparent in the ring between Chavez and Martinez. If Sergio was 176, then wtf was Chavez? Ward/Martinez has already been put to rest by both fighters, please don't bring it up.

13y ago

Boxing_Scene

Are you kidding me? Martinez had major injuries for the entire fight and still dominated Chavez. When hurt, Martinez showed the ability to recover and came back with power punches while hurt. Ridiculous. Chavez is a Cruiserweight fighting at middleweight. Nuff said.

13y ago

kiaba360

That fight in my opinion made both guys looked bad. Going in, everyone knew Martinez was going to roll that kid. I don't think anybody gave Chavez a chance of even going 12. Martinez schooling him was nothing special since everybody expected it. But Chavez wasn't even a LITTLE competitive, so he ended up looking even worse than most people thought he was. The fact that Martinez almost got KO'd by him is just flat out embarrassing. I honestly think it was a blow to each guy's reputation. But this is boxing and fans are retarded so each country probably considers their guy pound for pound number one after it. Many on here were saying that Chavez could win by decision (controversial) or KO. I thought Martinez would win by decision and later changed my prediction to TKO11. Chavez showed determination to be able to put Martinez down, and Sergio showed that he had toughness to survive the round. The 12th round didn't diminish their reputation.

13y ago

kiaba360

That's my point. Tired or not, an elite fighter is not supposed to get hit by the same punches over and over again No he didn't. I didn't mention Sergio's chin once. It's not about the knockdown, it's about what he did after he got up. He ate right hands and left hooks and threw a few weak jabs here and there. It's like he had no gameplan whatsoever. I was talking to Phantomas, hence why I quoted him lol. He got hit a bunch in that round, but he survived. Martinez showed that he can recover well and doesn't have a faulty chin/punch resistance. That wasn't the first round that Chavez landed leather on him, it was the first time that he hurt him. Yes he got hit, but isn't that what happens when you're stunned/hurt? Sure, he could've handled the situation better, but it's possible that his knee injury didn't allow him to be more mobile, hence why he stood and traded. He absorbed it and survived the round with a banged-up hand and knee, can't ask for anything more.

13y ago

SPREAD

13y ago

7_rocket

The guy almost knocked him out without a gameplan and a trainer who couldn't motivate him and didn't believe in him. Now imagine if he had a trainer who could actually give him a gameplan, have him motivated, and believes in him, you dont think that would make a difference? Silly Do you honestly believe his camp didn't have a game plan for him? Come on man...

13y ago

SPREAD

That fight in my opinion made both guys looked bad. Going in, everyone knew Martinez was going to roll that kid. I don't think anybody gave Chavez a chance of even going 12. Martinez schooling him was nothing special since everybody expected it. But Chavez wasn't even a LITTLE competitive, so he ended up looking even worse than most people thought he was. The fact that Martinez almost got KO'd by him is just flat out embarrassing.I honestly think it was a blow to each guy's reputation. But this is boxing and fans are retarded so each country probably considers their guy pound for pound number one after it. I'd like to see you go toe to toe with a guy 20 pounds heavier than you after 11 rounds, with the same ring experience with you. Don't talk that jumped up **** makes you sound muggy. Nothing embarrassing about fighting another man and getting knocked down what is embarrassing is a poster on here with a picture of Kermit the Frog as his avatar saying its embarrassing to get knocked down in a world title fight.

13y ago

SPREAD

Martinez wasn't able to land at 100% because Jr was covering his face during the entire fight. Just let Jr trade with Martínez when the Argentinian is not tired and I'm sure that Martínez would land 3 or 4 punches while Jr is only able to maybe land 1 ... I really believe that Martínez would take Jr out if Jr decides to throw punches like a madman, especially early in the fight. I noticed how Chavez was trying to clown Martinez about his punching power n the 1st or 2nd round, even though the punches hit Chavez's gloves. By the end of the fight Chavez was feeling Martinez's power and the fact is Martinez was sitting down on more than 20% of them punches. In a rematch Chavez would have to be busier and swing more, thus Martinez will probably figure him out in the first then unload a haymaker ala Paul Williams when Chavez is coming in. The only hing that may stop this is the fact that Chavez is a Cruiserweight. Theres a guys sig on here that shows a left uppercut landing after some sharp combinations on the inside by Martinez and Chavez backing up. Chavez was hurt at that point in the fight, I was more impressed with how Martinez chin stood up to some bombs from Chavez in the first 11 rounds. Chavez does have a granite chin though but so did Paul Williams................

13y ago

SPREAD

Yeah, it is a big deal because the other top p4ps don´t suffer like this against real fighters/boxers. Jr, Jr isn´t even an athlete. The context is what it is, top p4ps in their prime aren´t supposed to suffer like this against c fighters. So then Mayweather getting hurt by Corley and Mosley is a big deal. So then Pacquiao being knocked out by a guy called Singurat is also a big deal. And last but not least Ward getting knocked down by Darnell Boone is a ****ing big deal. Right? Wrong! Its boxing it happens, move on and as far as Chavez not being an athlete I agree, but when your a Cruiserweight and the guy your facing drops his hands and goes toe to toe with and is 20 pounds smaller you should be knocking that opponent down, especially when you've done **** all in the fight apart from get battered and schooled for 11 rounds.

13y ago

vacon04

oohh i highly doubt that, martinez hit jr with everthing but the kitchen sink, soon as jr lands on martinez look what happened........... Martinez wasn't able to land at 100% because Jr was covering his face during the entire fight. Just let Jr trade with Martínez when the Argentinian is not tired and I'm sure that Martínez would land 3 or 4 punches while Jr is only able to maybe land 1 ... I really believe that Martínez would take Jr out if Jr decides to throw punches like a madman, especially early in the fight.

13y ago

Ray

There was a reason Jr didn't open up till the 12th round, He got hit early and it seems he either paid too much respect to Martinez power, He only decide to open up when it seems it was safe to do so, If he didn't have any respect for Martinez's power he would have walk through him and do what he does best.

13y ago

bigsmoothh

13y ago

bigsmoothh

If he had done that during the first rounds, Martinez would have taken him out early. oohh i highly doubt that, martinez hit jr with everthing but the kitchen sink, soon as jr lands on martinez look what happened...........

13y ago

The_Sandman

It would be weird if the cruiserweight didn't at least get one knock down. That last round did get me out of my chair going crazy, but that last round still doesn't warrant a rematch. Martinez may have gotten a little careless but let's be honest. In the rematch, knowing Martinez's character, I highly doubt Martinez will make that mistake again. And knowing Chavez's character, I highly doubt he's going to change his whole style. Chavez may be able to plod forward and smother his other opponents with his size, but not against a high pace movement fighter like Martinez.

13y ago

vacon04

call me crazy but i was impressed by chavez in the 12th that's how i thought he should've fought the whole fight . If he had done that during the first rounds, Martinez would have taken him out early.

13y ago

jaded

Martinez obviously had the fight won but I think he wanted a KO because he had said numerous times before the fight that he would do so. He took some very unnecessary risks in 11 and 12 just to put a stamp on it...he got caught but it didn't stop him...bad knee and all. I doubt he will get himself in that situation again ever with anybody. Had he played it safer for the 2nd 1/2 of the last round Jr would have been laughed out of town. IMO that last round did little to salvage anything for Jr anyways. I had little interest in this fight because I expected it to go more or less the way it did. I didn't even think Jr would actually go through with it. As it became more evident that he would I became interested only because I wanted to see Martinez expose Jr and silence his clueless fans...I'm not sure the later was accomplished...but I have absolutely no interest now in seeing it again and I can't believe anybody would.

13y ago

illmaticfighter

call me crazy but i was impressed by chavez in the 12th that's how i thought he should've fought the whole fight .

13y ago

Phantomas

He did not get up visibly hurt from his knockdowns with Macklin/Williams/Pavlik. He went down against Chavez, recovered and finished the round. So, you think Mayweather/Martinez and Canelo/Martinez will not be competitive? I'd rather see Martinez get a shot at Canelo instead of Floyd, who's become known as an opportunist. As long as Sergio doesn't fight Chavez next, then i don't care who he fights. Who knows?, Martínez could come too drained and weak, or too big and strong for those guys... and of course too good for Canelo. Pirog and Golovkin are better fights, Martínez needs to risk something soon if he wants to become hof... I´m even thinking of Ward, Martínez was 176 pounds last fight so a match at 168 doesn´t sound crazy.

13y ago