Sergio Martinez, why some people say that he is top 3 P4P??

why would manny be there at number two? he just lost isn't in order, are fighter that in my opinion are better or in the same line than Martinez

TS feeling bad now.

What a dumb f.u.c.k. you and your list . Please don't breed. Chavez lost to a better man that's all. Sexy is with Pac and May the best in boxing well along with the kilts . I'm Mexican and a boxing fan . Sexy is just better than Chavez end of story .

Martinez is in the top 4 P4P without a doubt, he has beat the best in the division and has fought every 6 months for the last few years

some people say that is the number 1 number 2 and also other 3. In my opinion is a top 10. He beat Pavlik who was expoced by B-hop (but is a god win), Williams who was expoced by Quintana, Barker, Macklin and the boxer prefabricated who nearly knocked him Chavez, also rejected an offer of 3 millon to fight Pirog who is better than Chavez. In my opinion all that list are better or in the same level than Martinez Mayweather Pacquiao Andre Ward JMM Nonito Donaire Chad Dawson Bernard Hopkins Klischko brothers David Haye Carl Froch Kessler CottoOne of the worse lists i have ever seen!

I think Martinez is overrated but there are only a few fighters I'd definitively place ahead of him ( Ward, Mayweather and Wlad), others are debatable ( Marquez and Donaire). Pacquiao is not someone I'd rate ahead of him, now way no how.

Ironic that the people who call Chavez a bum are also the same giving Sergio credit for this fight,if Chavez´s so bad he shouldn´t get too much credit for this,should he? This was a fight to get his belt back and a nice paycheck,but doesn´t do much to improve his status as a P4P fighter. IMO, Chavez is a top 5 MW. However, I also said it was a mismatch on paper. It turned out that way, but Martinez put on a performance that exceeded my expectations. The performance itself was P4P worthy to me.

Chad Dawson :lol1::lol1::lol1:

some people say that is the number 1 number 2 and also other 3. In my opinion is a top 10. He beat Pavlik who was expoced by B-hop (but is a god win), Williams who was expoced by Quintana, Barker, Macklin and the boxer prefabricated who nearly knocked him Chavez, also rejected an offer of 3 millon to fight Pirog who is better than Chavez. In my opinion all that list are better or in the same level than Martinez Mayweather Pacquiao Andre Ward JMM Nonito Donaire Chad Dawson Bernard Hopkins Klischko brothers David Haye Carl Froch Kessler Cotto Ironic that the people who call Chavez a bum are also the same giving Sergio credit for this fight,if Chavez´s so bad he shouldn´t get too much credit for this,should he? This was a fight to get his belt back and a nice paycheck,but doesn´t do much to improve his status as a P4P fighter.

......You actually put David Haye up there? :rofl: :rofl:

some people say that is the number 1 number 2 and also other 3. In my opinion is a top 10. He beat Pavlik who was expoced by B-hop (but is a god win), Williams who was expoced by Quintana, Barker, Macklin and the boxer prefabricated who nearly knocked him Chavez, also rejected an offer of 3 millon to fight Pirog who is better than Chavez. In my opinion all that list are better or in the same level than Martinez Mayweather Pacquiao Andre Ward JMM Nonito Donaire Chad Dawson Bernard Hopkins Klischko brothers David Haye Carl Froch Kessler Cotto Dat is nonsense, tell dat Ward to go up to cruiser and beat da champion, den we can talk. Chad Dawson just quit against a smalla Ward, Hopkins just lost to da Dawson dat just quit, Pac just lost. Dat list ain't very convincin.

A huge knockout can shoot you way up the P4P lists (Pacquiao, Donaire, Sergio)...it is as simple as that. The P4P list just doesn't move at all anymore. It seems to be once you're up there you're pretty much up there until you retire or are completely shot.

TS is a clown plain and simple

some people say that is the number 1 number 2 and also other 3. In my opinion is a top 10. He beat Pavlik who was expoced by B-hop (but is a god win), Williams who was expoced by Quintana, Barker, Macklin and the boxer prefabricated who nearly knocked him Chavez, also rejected an offer of 3 millon to fight Pirog who is better than Chavez. In my opinion all that list are better or in the same level than Martinez Mayweather Pacquiao Andre Ward JMM Nonito Donaire Chad Dawson Bernard Hopkins Klischko brothers David Haye Carl Froch Kessler Cotto Holy sh*t wtf am I reading... Is that like your actual P4P list or who you think are better than Martinez? Did you just get back from sniffing lines with Chavez Sr after watching his son take a beating? My god... I am speechless... The f*ck...

some people say that is the number 1 number 2 and also other 3. In my opinion is a top 10. He beat Pavlik who was expoced by B-hop (but is a god win), Williams who was expoced by Quintana, Barker, Macklin and the boxer prefabricated who nearly knocked him Chavez, also rejected an offer of 3 millon to fight Pirog who is better than Chavez. In my opinion all that list are better or in the same level than Martinez Mayweather Pacquiao Andre Ward JMM Nonito Donaire Chad Dawson Bernard Hopkins Klischko brothers David Haye Carl Froch Kessler Cotto http://i.imgur.com/eGInc.gif

You can't be fukin SERIOUS with that List... :lol1:

I can't see putting him ahead of Pac, Floyd or Ward ATM.

His reflexes are overrated. Watch RJJ-Toney and tell me he Roy would have been touched by JCC Jr. Such a fail, its freaking comical. You guys don't even pretend to use any sort of logic when you post You are comparing RJJ when he was like 25 fighting Chavez Jr, compared to Martinez at 37. At 37, I expect a fighter to get touched a bit. Roy at 37, fighting Chavez, he'd still be in the hospital right now. Try thinking before you post. I know it may sting a little bit, but do try

Why do these clowns always say exposed...look you fair weather "fans" -Triangle theories don't work...I shouldn't have to repeat the obvious -Fighters lose...its part of the game...it doesn't mean "exposed". It just means you lost to someone better than you -Your career isn't over because you lose...you can lose a fight and still be great Anyways since your sentence/rant/block is an incoherent mess of what can barely be labeled a thought, I'll try... - Williams was a great win, which he won the rematch in convincing fashion and lost the first in disputed fashion -Pavlik wasn't "exposed". His style and limitations was always there for everyone to see. He just got beat by a better fighter outside of his weightclass. He was still the man at MW. - Barker was a defense and a decent guy - Macklin was a legit win, the guy was coming off of being robbed by Sturm in a fight he should have won, you know Sturm right, a pretty good MW who's had a title for many years -Dzinziruk was a beast at 154 and often avoided, he stepped up to the challenge and got murked, its an underrated win -Should have a W from the Cintron fight, back when Cintron was still a good fighter. -Chavez Jr is big, strong, young and ferocious and he got destroyed in a clinic All these performances in just his recent rise is what gives him his much deserved ranking. All those guys, P4P, if they were the same size (which in my opinion, is the point), I can see Sergio at best going 10-2 against that competition and at worst 7-5. And Pirog...he beats Danny Jacobs and hides in Russia and people think he can compete anywhere near the top. That's the biggest joke here

I have never thought Martinez was top 3 p4p. I made a thread about this nearly a year ago, and nothing he has done since has changed my mind, in fact I feel more vindicated in my assessment. Ward, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Marquez, should all be ranked above him for sure. After that I think you could make arguments for other fighters at different times, including Donaire, Tim Bradley, Gamboa, and considering his longer term accomplishments even Cotto who is one of the very best fighters of the last 6-7 years. I have never seen p4p as a rapidly changing thing, I think you have to consider someone's longer term accomplishments as well as recent results. Take Pacquiao for example, you could say that he has won and lost in his last 2 fights, but look who he fought and how those results played out. Both Marquez and Bradley were top 10 p4p.