David Haye vs (past and present) Vitali?

I actually believe that Vitali that fought Arreola is the better overall fighter than the one fought Lennox or Herbie. After he returned he looked much more experienced, with the much better defence and I think he was picking his punches better. Maybe his output has dropped but he still was landing a LOT of punches in every round of every fight. He injured himself in the Byrd fight as he was too aggressive - he was trying to KO byrd by furious attacks. He wasn't used to finish the fight with the large UD. All the opponents prior to Byrd, he handled with the TKO/KO and quite fast. I think the fight with Arreola (although Arreola is nowhere near HOF material) was Vitali's peak. It was a perfect fight, both defensively and offensively. I agree. He looked more experienced with a far better defence after his comeback. I think he was in his peak in the Peter & Arreola fights; less agressive and spectacular but overall better fighter, more tactical and better use of his size. His handspeed was incredible. He is clearly not the same now.

Any version of either Klitscho Brother > than any version of David Haye.

Haye is the man he destroys any version of Vitali.

Vitali before his lay off would finish Haye pretty early, he was more aggressive and a lot quicker back then. Vitali, to me, looks to have slowed down even since the Arreola fight. The way he looked against Charr, I could see Haye having a chance. I think age has caught up to Big Klit, and with him slowing down, a fast athletic fighter like Haye could have a shot. The one that I'm not certain about is the Vitali from the Arreola, I seem to remember him still looking pretty good in that fight, but Haye would still have a chance with Klitschko being a bit older and slower. Essentially, I'd call Haye - Klit from Arreola and Charr fights around 50-50, although I'd have to say Haye has a better shot against the Klit from the Charr fight. Prime Vitali... no chance.

Vitali outboxed Sanders in the first two rounds. Yes Sanders stunned him at the end of the first round because Vitali was overaggressive (look at the moment when Sanders caught Vitali, he was on ropes). Did that bothered Vitali? Yes, for sec or two... He was recovered in matter of sub-seconds. http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,348850,00.jpg http://www.supernature-forum.de/attachments/4518d1082910755-boxen-vitali-klitschko-vs-corrie-sanders-zdf-2004-04-25_18-26-43h-1.jpg It is just sad when you can't find the fight where Vitali was outboxed or troubled. Not even that, you can't find the round, but only a rare segment of it. Btw most of the HW greats would be dropped by that Sander’s shot. Keep acting like it didn't happen. I'll just leave the fight here for people to judge for themselves, it's much better than a few pictures.

Not nonsense the first 2 rounds old Sanders was tagging Vitali and hurting him until he gassed. Most fans that watch that fight will share the same view. Vitali outboxed Sanders in the first two rounds. Yes Sanders stunned him at the end of the first round because Vitali was overaggressive (look at the moment when Sanders caught Vitali, he was on ropes). Did that bothered Vitali? Yes, for sec or two... He was recovered in matter of sub-seconds. http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,348850,00.jpg http://www.supernature-forum.de/attachments/4518d1082910755-boxen-vitali-klitschko-vs-corrie-sanders-zdf-2004-04-25_18-26-43h-1.jpg It is just sad when you can't find the fight where Vitali was outboxed or troubled. Not even that, you can't find the round, but only a rare segment of it. Btw most of the HW greats would be dropped by that Sander’s shot.

Thread is about to compare prime haye agaisnt different versions of Vitali. Not to troll and talk nonsense about the sander's fight... Not nonsense the first 2 rounds old Sanders was tagging Vitali and hurting him until he gassed. Most fans that watch that fight will share the same view.

Old Sanders was a fighter that had speed and power and managed to hurt Vitali and cause problems until he gassed. I'd rate Haye a level above Sanders. Thread is about to compare prime haye agaisnt different versions of Vitali. Not to troll and talk nonsense about the sander's fight...

I think the fight would be similar, with any Vitali, and that it would have been good at any point. I think it would always have been a decision win. It really all depends on how Haye wants to fight. Against a younger Vitali it would have very much been a defensive fight with raiding attacks, now I think it would still be raiding attacks as his speed is his advantage. The sheer size advantage Vitali has is still a major one, as is Haye's speed. 50/50. Also depends on how Vitali currently takes a punch from a big hitter with fast, accurate punches.

Old Sanders was a fighter that had speed and power and managed to hurt Vitali and cause problems until he gassed. I'd rate Haye a level above Sanders.

The bottom line is Vitali is 41, he can't be considered prime so this Haye's best chance at a win over a Klitschko.

I actually believe that Vitali that fought Arreola is the better overall fighter than the one fought Lennox or Herbie. After he returned he looked much more experienced, with the much better defence and I think he was picking his punches better. Maybe his output has dropped but he still was landing a LOT of punches in every round of every fight. He injured himself in the Byrd fight as he was too aggressive - he was trying to KO byrd by furious attacks. He wasn't used to finish the fight with the large UD. All the opponents prior to Byrd, he handled with the TKO/KO and quite fast. I think the fight with Arreola (although Arreola is nowhere near HOF material) was Vitali's peak. It was a perfect fight, both defensively and offensively. no arreola was a bum who made vitali look good

prime vitali wins easily, current vitali - I favor haye by UD with the slight possibility of a tko

Good time line. 1- Vitali that fought Hide would have koed Haye 2- Vitali that fought Lewis would have destroyed Haye Ko. 3-Vitali that fought Arreola would have UD Haye. Easily too. 4- The Vitali that fought Charr and Chisorra will lose to Haye via UD. Vitali is 41, he have had a lot of injuries. I know there isn't that many K2 fans on boxing sites, but I follow both brother's careers and Vitali had to come back from a series of grueling injuries that is finally catching up with him. If Haye fight Vitali (I say he will), and beats Vitali. I give Haye as much credit as Calzaghe received in beating Hopkins. Still a 'good win' but he beat a shadow of a great champion. Excellent post! I agree with the majority of it. I think Vitali that fought Arreola would KO/TKO haye quite easily. Haye's chin is not as good as Arreola's. Now I give it 50:50 as I can't really determine in what condition Vitali really is. He did slow down for sure, but Charr fight didn't tell much. Vitali didn't have any respect for Manuel and he fought practically without any defence. Haye is in his absolute prime, no doubt about that…

I honestly belive Arreola is a truly terrible boxer. He is a big, heavy thug in boxing gloves. the Gomez performance was more impressive to me as Gomez is actually a very good boxer. I don't pick that fight cause of Arreola as I too believe he is not particularly good boxer (I still think he is better than Chisorra). I picked that fight as Vitali fought that way it looked so easy. Arreola wasn't able to touch him at all and prior to that he KO/TKO almost every single opponent. Gomez fight was impressive as well and that's the period for which I think it was Vitali's prime.

Could you expand on that. Why would you give haye a chance against vitali that fought arreola and not against the one who fought lennox or herbie? Honestly it comes down to age. I have no doubt a prime Vitali would either damage Haye, or make Haye do what he did with Wlad, which is dodge for the majority of the round and try land single hard punches. The Vitali now has slowed down considerably. Knowing how explosive Haye is i'd certainly give him a chance against a slowed down Vitali. Against Arreola, he was open to counters of which Haye's athleticism certainly allows for.

the one who fought Lennox and Herbie was a lot more agressive. Comeback Vitali is a great fighter, but in a different way, increased defensive capiabilities at the cost of some offence. I actually believe that Vitali that fought Arreola is the better overall fighter than the one fought Lennox or Herbie. After he returned he looked much more experienced, with the much better defence and I think he was picking his punches better. Maybe his output has dropped but he still was landing a LOT of punches in every round of every fight. He injured himself in the Byrd fight as he was too aggressive - he was trying to KO byrd by furious attacks. He wasn't used to finish the fight with the large UD. All the opponents prior to Byrd, he handled with the TKO/KO and quite fast. I think the fight with Arreola (although Arreola is nowhere near HOF material) was Vitali's peak. It was a perfect fight, both defensively and offensively.

Vs Arreola and Charr, i'd give Haye a decent chance. Could you expand on that. Why would you give haye a chance against vitali that fought arreola and not against the one who fought lennox or herbie?

Vs Arreola and Charr, i'd give Haye a decent chance. Haye is very athletic, and Vitali has a tendency to throw easy dodgeable arm punches. In his Prime he would press Haye too much to damage the chin. Haye would jump on him now, he has something to prove