Vitali's ATG Ranking?

You know why that illustration shows he's an alltime great? It shows everyone what Vitali is all about & that is a rare volume puncher for such a big guy.. thx for illustrating this to everyone. Vitali is never going to be rated in the top ten by anybody that counts and there's nothing your propaganda can do about it. I like vitali he is pretty solid, the second best of the last ten years, but if anything your BS turns me and most other people against him - but you don't seem to pick up on that. He has NEVER beaten the best fighter in his division. Lewis was the best and the facts and records that u love so much say tko6. Wlad is the best now and luckily for vitali that isn't going to happen. His best wins are probably old man sanders and china chinned herbie hyde who are not going to be in anybody's top 100 let alone top 50. You can't be the number 1 if you have never even beaten anybody from the top 100 lol. I'm not saying head to head he wouldn't do well, maybe he would but you can't PROVE that by saying he beat up a bunch of bums therefore he beats up the best. ... Bute beat up a load of bums but look what happened when he met the real man. He stepped up in level and got dominated. The most you can say of vitali is he is the second best in the current era - thats it.

This guy is an ATG??? http://gifsoup.com/view2/1986413/byrd-elusive-against-vitali-o.gif

Jimmy, here you go again. This time you're argueing that the Byrd and Lewis bouts were inconclusive and were only 5% of his resume anyway. First, in the Byrd fight, your hero out and out QUIT. Thats pretty damn conclusive to me. Then in the Lewis fight, Lewis caused enough damage to your boyfriends face that a PROFESSIONAL boxing doctor/referee deemed it detrimental to Vitalis health to continue. Pretty damn conclusive to me and the rest of the boxing world. Do you really believe you're right and everyone else is wrong? Second, as far as these bouts only being 5% of Vitalis resume. Numerically you are correct, the reason why these bouts are given so much credit is because these are the two best fighter Vitali ever fought. You can pitch all the nohitters you want in the minor leagues, but if you're a .500 pitcher in the majors, theres no way in hell you're a top 5 all time pitcher. While Vitali has indeed fought everyone there was to fight and been an outstanding champion in and out of the ring, he still just 12-15 all time Hwt Look at me trying to use logic to make my case with Jimmy 1569! You'd think I would learn Jimmy doesn't speak logic.

Top 20 maybe even top 15 he was very good at his best, and unlike his brother he never got battered to defeat 3 times by average fighters.

Lol.. do you guys even read what you're right. You're actually admitting how dominant Klitschko has been by conjuring up once or twice when he lost the first rd.. perhaps.. Sanders & Hide.. Solis got ko'ed before the first rd ended (as usual Klitschko outlanded him)for scorecards to take effect & the other two received massive beatdowns for there first rd indescretions. You can spout **** all you like but Vitali won't break the top 10 on most people lists because is resume is just terrible. It's easier to have better stats when the opponents are of lower quality. Boxing is all about who you beat and in the case of Vitali it's nobodies.

I put Wladimir inside the top 10 ATG HWs but not Vitali, because of Wlad's beter resume and better boxing skills, and because Wlad has never quit in a fight. However, I think Vitali would be competitive with any HW in history and he is the only boxer to hold a world HW title in three decades (1990s, 2000s, 2010s). He's dominated a lot of good fighters over a long period of time (Hide, Donald, Sanders, prime Wiliams, Gomez, Arreola, Adamek, etc). And he's never been behind on the cards. So I rate Vitali between 11-15 ATG heavyweight. That's a lie.

fellow posters, it is useless to try argue with jimmy 1569 on this topic as logic doesn't compute in his world. Instead do as I do and refer to him as "The Owl". Because the more light you shine on him the less he will see

jimmyBoy; wipe the Vitali Brown Off your Nose and relax, Your obviously one those "fanatics" that thinks his "man" is unworldly!!! Your guy Vitali is an awkard ordinary guy who steps over himself as he throws punches and has NO Idea what defense is. As I said without being 6'6" he wouldn't have any success at all. The guy looks like Herman Munster in the ring!!! :sucks: just like the guys Style or LACK of!!! Ray

Wht a phockingdisgraceful winner.. to be that enthused when you didn't have rights to winning the bout in the first place.. pathetic to say the least.. Wlad took care of that noise.. Vitali sent the HIT out twice after he saw that shameful display of non earned tears of joy! http://static.stuff.co.nz/1326141796/381/6234381.jpg

http://i.minus.com/iE8eE1fUCNfN0.GIF So Dramatic. :boxing:

At HW? Somewhere between 25-30 most likely. Going off a rough estimate and memory. Wladimir of course would be much higher.

His career isn't officially in the books.

I don't HATE any fighters, I do know how to evaluate talent and I do know how to break a fighters talents down, it was my job for over 30 years and I did my job very well or it wouldn't have lasted that long! Being a former manager, trainer, boxer, cornerman gives a huge advantage over someone like you who is a fan!! Thats not to say that your knowledge is meaningless but it isn't based on your actually experiences. No one is paying you for your expertize so I'd guess your abit limited, ya think! His mind is working but his coordination is terrible, theres a reason men measuring 6'6" never did well in boxing and its because the sport actually makes a decent athlete look bad when their that tall. Its not their (Bros.) fault that the division and sport in general is in shambles but to say that they are on the same level of past greats makes no sense when you can compare their abilities to boxers like Louis to Ali to Holmes and all the others. They remind me of a cross between Canera and Baer! They have size and decent power but without the size they'll be average at best. The opponents that face them don't have the basic talents to pressure them and land shots. When I do see them get hit I don't like the responce I see its an "alarmed" look that to me shows panic! Now maybe thats their immaturity in the sport because they don't have a wealth of knowledge gained by sparring quality men. The guys they fight are spar session type talents. Again that not their fault but that doesn't annoint them into the great heavies of the sport. The lack of technique that I watched the other night with Vitali was obvious, the reason he got away with such poor technique was his opponent was "waiting" for "something" to happen! When he started to "try" he got stopped on a cut! I saw hands drop after he punched I saw crossed legs and stepping over his other foot. I saw him profiling his face constantly. He would get bombed out of there against a Marciano, he would be stopped inside 5 rounds easily! He has no defense other than his height, once inside him he doesn't even know how to tie up and walk off. Limited knowledge in comparison to the greats before him. Ray

Now that Vitali Klitschko's career is officially in the books, how does he rank among the greats? How will history remember Vitali's career? In your opinion, is he HOF material? He will go to the HOF, but the hall will be weaker once he goes in. When your best victory is actually a 6 rd tko loss, you should not go to the hall of fame. Vitali has not beaten any HWT of substnce. He isn't an ATG in any sense.

jimmy1569; I don't think I've replied to one of your comments before and I doubt I insulted you soooooooooooo.................. tell me who have you personally trained and how long did you box? Where is your gym located and how long has it been opened? Everyones has an opinion just like we have azzez, you just seem to speak from yours, fairly loudly too!! What I forgot about boxing you'll never know! If you think Vitali is a great boxer/fighter you need to study some film of Joe Louis and see what style, form, substance, power, ability, methods, techniques are all about. As I said this mans talent are minimal his height is his saving grace, theres NO Doubt about that!!! Ray

Some of the posters I see ****ting on Vitalis resume are the same guys who will look at you as if you have lost your mind if you dare question Tysons resume or ATG status.

True, H2H He'll give any Heavyweight a tough day, but no career defining wins or all time greats and a very weak resume you can't put him in the Top 10 of an ATG List. Vitali is HOF bound. It is a technicality really.

I would say top 15 if he would have been around in a better era he would have broken into the top 10 comfortably. I can't think of any heavyweight throughout history that Vitali wouldn't have a chance of beating.

My thoughts, too. I think Wlad may be able to crack the Top 10, depends Although I don't see them doing anything much more significant, to be honest. Unless they eliminate Price, Fury, Wilder and Mitchell in the next few years.

Great question. As a HW, I'll have Vitali in top 15-20, same for his brother Wladimir. Wlad would probably be higher simply because of his comfortable win over Haye. He is definitely HOF worthy. My thoughts, too.